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By: MarkJ - 1 December, 2009 (1:22 PM) - Score: 7504 - Security, Piracy
p2pThe Digital Economy Bill is to be debated by the Lords tomorrow in its Second Reading. We recommend that anybody who has an objection to the unfair proposal of disconnecting customers from their UK broadband ISPs, based on a suspicion of involvement with illegal p2p file sharing, write to the lords and tell them about it.

We don't need to go over all the many reasons why disconnections are bad anymore but we've put a few practical examples below. You can email a Lord HERE; just click the 'Random Lord' button at the bottom.
a. Entire families or businesses could be cut-off because of a single individuals act, such as by a child or employee/ex-employee of a business etc; individuals that would never own up to committing such an act due to fear of more severe punishment.

b. It could make public Wi-Fi services difficult to run because the owner could be deemed responsible and not the anonymous customer.

c. The majority of home Wi-Fi networks, even those with common security and encryption settings, are easy to hack for neighbours/local abusers to download illegally. But the connection owner would still be responsible and how do they prove their innocence? It is effectively a crime without evidence.

d. The proposed appeals process looks like little more than window dressing or a kangaroo court, only a true trial by judge in a court of law should determine whether an individual loses their Internet connection.

e. There are many anonymous methods that allow people to access the Internet and circumvent any such rules (payg Mobile Broadband, VPN, proxy servers, IP hijacking, anonymous P2P etc.), thus the whole principal of what is proposed appears to be unworkable and a massive waste of money.
Disconnection should be removed from the bill as an option. The Digital Britain report did not propose disconnection, only technical measures to restrict some elements of the service (e.g. slow speeds, blocked P2P, blocked p2p link websites etc.). Mandelson added it without proper consultation, thus ignoring the original report’s findings.
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Posted: 1 December, 2009 - 2:49 PM
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Done. My random lord was:

Lord Janner of Braunstone

wherever that is?
asa logoSloman
Posted: 1 December, 2009 - 6:41 PM
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Done, mine was Lady Park of Monmouth *Very posh"tongue
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Posted: 2 December, 2009 - 12:13 AM
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i tried and the email was stopped. they stop lots of emails with the same subject somehow.

mad
asa logotimeless
Posted: 2 December, 2009 - 12:22 AM
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l fot Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market...
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Posted: 2 December, 2009 - 12:30 AM
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i own a small isp. reducing bandwidth good for me. but spoke with BPI and just couldn't go with the plan. They offered 'evidence' but wouldn't indemnify me against errors, but expected me to turn off business. If they don't stand behind their evidence then should it be used to disconnect homes/businesses. But more importantly, Labour is about to turn the judicial clock back hundreds of years. Punishment without trial. No right to a day in court. Even suspected murderers get that. This is an incredibly bad legal precedent. Labour just do not understand civil liberties. They truly are fascists. They believe the state knows best and individuals have no say and shouldn't be consulted. e.g. Iraq War, EC treaty, Identity cards, DNA database. Some agree with the aforementioned/some disagree but would be nice to have a say.
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Posted: 2 December, 2009 - 9:45 AM
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With todays broadband access(for some anyway :)) and general IT systems I think everybody should have a personal device to log a vote for each individual law/problem to help the government decide on what to do.

E.g. The government issue a question (via the device) and everybody can give their own view. The question is presented with all the relevant info so each individual can make an informed deicison.

One small issue though - security. Maybe we use the ID cards to validate the user :)
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Posted: 2 December, 2009 - 11:57 AM
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another good point l feel worth mentioning.. obviously lm in between employment at the moment.. the jobcentre made a good point today (some crappy back to work session) and they stated most jobs these days require the internet to locate even more only offer online applications, if this were to happen yes there are services that offer access to the net but they are still public computers and l dont feel confident to use my personal details in such an area.. if someone were to access my wireless or spoof my IP and l were to be disconnected where would l be then?
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Posted: 2 December, 2009 - 3:50 PM
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The entire copyright/digital media has nothing to do with justice. Neither has it got anything to do with protecting the rights of artists. Just as a copy is not theft, neither is it piracy. The language has indeed been hijacked.

The issue all about big businesses wanting ever increasing profits for little or no extra effort on their part, expecting everyone else to pay for the lifestyle to which they feel themselves to be entitled, and in the case of government, the issue is all about power and control.

Otherwise why is there no concerted effort to prosecute the real criminals, those who sell pirated copies of DVDs?
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Posted: 2 December, 2009 - 3:54 PM
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Furthermore, dowload an mp3, avi or whatever and having your Internet access terminated is is a clear case of the punishment NOT fitting the crime.

There has been no suggestion that terrorists who use the Internet to conspire against society, perverts who use online facilities to pursue their sick interests, or any other group of individuals who break actual criminal law should lose their Internet access, so why should file sharers who, it has been proven, very often actually spend more on physical media than non-file sharers, and who do so out of a genuine interest and usually without any suggestion of a profit motive be subject to such an arbitrary form of punishment?
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Posted: 9 December, 2009 - 10:33 AM
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