By: MarkJ - 9 November, 2010 (8:21 AM) - Score: 7425 - Fixed Line Broadband
netherlands mapWe rarely cover non-UK news but this one deserves a mention. A small Netherlands based cable operator (CAI Harderwijk) has used DOCSIS3 (DOCSIS 3.0) technology, which is similar to the EuroDOCSIS3 standard employed by Virgin Media in the UK, to demonstrate a symmetric 100Mbps broadband (same speed both ways) service.

At present the fastest Cable Modem speed offered by Virgin Media is 100Mbps download and 10Mbps upload, or at least it will be when the service goes live just before Christmas. Virgin Media is also running trials of 200Mbps download (via 4 bonded channels) and 20Mbps upload, although we probably won't see those speeds until approximately 2012.

The test itself is important because cable operators are still, perhaps unfairly, seen by some as inferior to fully fibre optic based Fibre-to-the-Home ( FTTH ) broadband services. In realty cable operators are, for the most part, continuing to keep pace. However, until now, upstream performance has been somewhat of a weak spot.

CAI Harderwijk itself is a tiny Dutch operator with over 16,000 subscribers (Source: Telecompaper) and was also the first cable company to voluntarily open up its network to third parties, which allowed rival ISP Solcon to participate in the new trial (first announced back in February 2010).

Suffice to say that the ability to push symmetric speeds of 100Mbps over DOCSIS3 is somewhat of a world first and gives us a better idea of where Virgin Media might be able to go in the future. There is perhaps a sad irony to all this though, which is that CAI Harderwijk already has plans to swap on to a FTTH platform, although that could now be delayed.

It is known that DOCSIS3 is theoretically able to reach a peak download speed of over 300Mbps (400Mbps+ with EuroDOCSIS3) and a little over 108Mbps for upload performance. However to achieve such speed requires a colossal amount of complicated channel bonding (8 just for the download speed and 4 for uploads). Never the less such developments bode well for the future of cable.
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asa logoJuftJob
Posted: 9 November, 2010 - 9:24 AM
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Wont it just work out cheaper and future prof just to go fibre? These type of short term solutions are a total waste.
asa logoMarkJ
Posted: 9 November, 2010 - 9:51 AM
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That analogy works well for existing copper wires but less so for established cable networks, which can already deliver superfast broadband speeds.
asa logoJuftJob
Posted: 9 November, 2010 - 11:42 PM
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How fast is superfast imo? Fibre is already hitting 1gbs in some places and by the time these cable networks of yours get even half way to that speed god knows when fibre will be by then :P. Again i say total waste of resources just upgrade everthing to fibre end of.
asa logoMarkJ
Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 7:11 AM
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Yeah but an ISP can't deliver that speed to all of its customers, just look at S.Korea. By the time we are able to deliver that sort of speed to users then no doubt cable will have found a way.
asa logoJuftJob
Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 9:23 AM
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Cable/Copper wires will never get 1gps imo. They mite be able to boost it 1gbs in a lab someday but never out in the streets for everyone thats just impossible. Fibrecity in bournmouth already have 1gbs boosts for there customers its just a matter of time hopefully within afew years time then we all can benefit with it. Im sorry cable is just old and waste of resorces and effort to improve anymore.
asa logoPeter Newman
Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 9:24 AM
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I would also like to know what distances are involved with getting 100mbps, and how many bonded channels - since it takes 4 for 200mbps, should we assume 2?
asa logoJonas
Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 9:51 AM
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When next generation cable modem solutions are inferior to LAN solutions of today, that should tell you something. It's not exactly cheap to get cable modems for all your subscribers either.

I live in a place where I pay EUR 30 for 100 Mbit/s, regular cat5 with a switch in the basement and fibre uplink. That's not exactly cheap either, I paid half that at the last place I lived. It's not rocket science to wire up a building with COTS LAN technology and let ISPs sell broadband in your house. Either the building owner do it or the tenants band together and pay a initial fee to do it.
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Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 11:50 AM
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This is good news.
Bonding several connections however is not a practical thing.

The whole idea of docsis is to reuse existing cables, not add new ones.
asa logomelstav
Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 2:10 PM
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georges--

You misread. "bonded channels" not "bonded connections".

Each channel being represented by a carrier frequency.
Kind of like how the cable carries dozens of TV Stations at the same time.

By bonding channels together, it's basically like saying that it's using four TV tuners at once on the same cable to give you the total downstream bandwidth available.

And yes, I know that's an oversimplified explanation.
asa logoJohnC
Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 2:58 PM
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Anonyone knows what brand of cable modems were used, and what CMTS brand?

:)
asa logoMike
Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 5:05 PM
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Interesting. The 100/100 part, that is. 200Mbps download speed itself is nothing new, for example in Finland at least Welho is offering it's customers (available in about 300 000 houses in metropolitan capital area) 200/10Mbps connection for 54,90 EUR/month over ED3.0. That one uses 4 bonded channels for downstream traffic and one for upstream. I read somewhere that in theory one channel is capable of about 55Mbps, so going 200/20 shouldn't be a big problem.
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Posted: 10 November, 2010 - 6:11 PM
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The interesting thing is the 100 Mbps upload. How many customers will be able to get that upload at the same time ?

Usually the upload channels are in the frequency range below
80 MHz and IIRC the most efficient modulation is QAM128 for upload. So there is much less bandwidth for upload than for download, which could use any channel over 121 MHz up to 860 MHz. So I fear that the 100 Mbps upload is only a technical demonstration but not really doable in real world with some hundreds of customers which want to do uploads on the same cable.
asa logoHarry de Mul
Posted: 15 November, 2010 - 9:43 AM
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Another small cable operator in the Netherlands, Stichting Kabelnet Veendam, already have a symmetric speed of 100Mbps by cably since 3 months.



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