By: MarkJ - 25 January, 2012 (7:17 AM) - Score: 1244 - Fixed Line Broadband
uk rural broadband mapfibre_optic_broadband_internet_cable.jpgSocitm, an association of public sector ICT professionals, has warned in its latest briefing - 'Rural broadband: superfast or superslow?' - that many hard pressed local councils will face a "big ask" to find additional funding for supporting the rollout of superfast internet access into rural areas.

The governments Broadband Delivery UK (BDUK) office has so far set aside £530m (rising to £830m by 2017), which must be matched by money from the private sector, in order to help 90% of people gain access to superfast broadband (24Mbps+) ISP services by 2015 (the last 10% will have to make do with at least 2Mbps). But this is only part of the picture.

Local councils have also been told to try and match BDUK's funding with their own cash, which is easier said than done if you rule over one of the UK's many hard pressed rural areas. Socitm's briefing encourages councils "not to give up on the national broadband programme" and to instead build on it by making "what money there is stretch much further".

Socitm's Briefing Summary

Public sector agencies must work together, says the briefing, to make the most of existing assets by overcoming legal and commercial barriers. Re-use of existing infrastructure, including ducts and public service networks will be essential to drive down costs and to make the limited investment go further. Exploitation of new technology, reuse of analogue signal, 4G, higher take up, and satellite, can all be deployed as part of the local mix.

Certainly the pressure is now well and truly on after last week's lashing by the DCMS Secretary of State, Jeremy Hunt MP, whom threatened to withdraw BDUK funding from councils that failed to meet its deadline (here). Hunt expects local authorities to have signed their broadband contracts by no later than the end of 2012.

The recent situation in Bath & North East Somerset, where the local council initially rejected the BDUK scheme as being too expensive, is one example of how solutions can be found within even the smallest of budgets.
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Posted: 25 January, 2012 - 8:22 AM
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...In other news SOCITM announced the temperature is usually lower in the winter than the summer in the UK!
asa logoDisgruntled of TW
Posted: 25 January, 2012 - 10:46 AM
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Let's ask BT for the REAL ADSL performance figures to find out first how bad we are today.

Then ask them to PUBLISH which exchanges and cabinets are planned to be upgraded, hold them accountable for the plan, and measure their performance post rollout (Sam Knows www.samknows.com). This gives others a CHANCE to deliver. Right now, BT have a Government sponsored monopoly. BDUK is thinly veiled corporate BT sponsorship.

Or, stay home and stop moaning. Lack of accountability for spend, and blindly trusting BT to deliver is an untenable position for Mr Hunt to maintain.
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Posted: 25 January, 2012 - 12:34 PM
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@Disruntled
Why not simply look in the regular Ofcom report for independent performance figures?

Why would ANY company publish plans about an invetsment programme funded by its ahareholders for its competitors to read and exploit (obviously I'm not including any possible BDUK funded roll-out in this).

How can you hold a company accountable for something for a shareholder funded project (same caveat as above)?

Presumably you meant to include Virgin, various others in your post but didn't to keep it brief?
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Posted: 26 January, 2012 - 8:01 PM
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@new_londoner
Different rules apply when public money is being awarded to commercial organisations with unfair tax advantages (VOA fibre tax).

BT have a monopoly position on the last mile. Who's competing? How much fibre have Virgin put in the ground in the last 24 months?

Can you provide a link to the specific report you are referring to? Willing to bet fiction more than fact. Lies, damn lies and statistics.

BT have zero motivation to undo the monopoly they command as you rightly point out. What's wrong with that picture? You decide.
Say "up to" one more time ... go on, I dare you.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 27 January, 2012 - 2:13 AM
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Excellent news the less cash in certain pockets the better
asa logoNew_Londoner
Posted: 27 January, 2012 - 7:47 AM
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@Disgruntled
The VOA tax myth has been disproved numerous times in the courts, despite the hype put out by Vitesse and others. Read the appeal court judgement to see how this argument was comprehensively dismantled.

The Ofcom report is accessible at

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/market-data-research/telecoms-research/broadband-speeds/speeds-nov-dec-2010/

Presumably an updated report will be issued this March.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 28 January, 2012 - 2:27 AM
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Not a myth at all thats why fibre tax is being looked at again.
asa logoNew_Londoner
Posted: 29 January, 2012 - 8:29 PM
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@Deduction
Suggest you read te appeal court ruling on this, which in turn refers to several previous investigations by both UK courts and the EU.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 30 January, 2012 - 1:06 AM
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Suggest you keep up with latest news and not last years.....

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4958-voa-propose-improvements-to-fibre-tax-system.html

It is as i stated being looked at again.

Can i also say right your persistent addressing of just people individually rather than commenting on the news item itself is getting tiresome.
You prattle on about something completely off topic and more often than not have no idea what you are on about.

You then continue to argue (JUST AS YOU WILL AFTER THIS POST) even when people present evidence to back up exactly what they have stated.

Perhaps its about time i start reporting this type of abuse of the news section as you seem happy to report others.
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Posted: 30 January, 2012 - 7:51 AM
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@Deduction
The court of appeal ruling on the Vtesse case is worth reading, can be viewed at

http://www.monckton.com/docs/general/BradfordvVtesse.pdf

As you will see LOrd JUstice Lloyd dismantles the case one section at a time, which mainly seems to be about overdue rates.

By the way, this may be off topic, but was not raised by me initially.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 30 January, 2012 - 5:31 PM
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As i said that happened in the past, your link is 2 years old. Its being reviewed again, your link is old news mine is new news. Your link refers to an individual companies civil dispute not fibre pricing and its review in general.

My link
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4958-voa-propose-improvements-to-fibre-tax-system.html

Is literally only weeks old, if you can find something newer that says fibre pricing will not be looked at again, feel free to post it, otherwise as usual you are incorrect.
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Posted: 30 January, 2012 - 8:18 PM
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In the absence of a new court ruling (none have taken place), the link I posted is teh most current legal opinion on ths topic. As you will see, it references prior UK hearings as well as an investigation by the EU.

WHether or not UK politicians wish to revisit the issue is a moot point. From the perspective of the legal system it has already found that there is no discrimination between the various different rating systems used.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 31 January, 2012 - 12:55 AM
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No it isnt that was a civil dispute and civil disputes do not set precedence for law.

Furthermore its 2 years old and is not current to any degree, infact since that outcome the prices (tax rate) for fibre has even changed.

YOU FAIL, but keep arguing away. Its fun when you are wrong and try to alter things until you are right........ Which never happens.

Try another of your IDs, that might work, will still be a stupid argument but it might convince any which are stupid reading.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 31 January, 2012 - 12:57 AM
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Further more it wont be a court ruling that scraps the tax if it finally happens, it will be a parliamentary decision (vote).

LOL you really know nothing about how these things work. Or rather you do but for some reason you like to continue arguing and looking stupid every post.
asa logoNew_Londoner
Posted: 31 January, 2012 - 4:49 AM
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@Deduction
If you think that the ruling I linked to is not current then please feel free to post a link to a more recent one that covers the same ground.
asa logoDeduction
Posted: 3 February, 2012 - 3:32 AM
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Your case you linked to is a civil dispute not LAW..... OMG, head wall! Its not current either the tax rate mentioned in it has changed.

You do know what a civil case is, dont you? (nah probably not)
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Posted: 3 February, 2012 - 4:16 PM
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@Deduction
Like i said, If you think that the ruling I linked to is not current then please feel free to post a link to a more recent one that covers the same ground. I guess the Fact you've changed the subject, become abusive suggests you don't actually have information on a more recent case?
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Posted: 5 February, 2012 - 5:42 PM
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Its a civil dispute and is not law

Obviously you are too stupid to comprehend what a civil dispute is.
asa logoNew_Londoner
Posted: 7 February, 2012 - 6:03 AM
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@Deduction
So definitely no links to a more recent case then, civil or otherwise? Pity.
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Posted: 9 February, 2012 - 2:05 AM
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http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2012/01/05/voa-releases-new-uk-tax-proposals-for-next-gen-fibre-optic-broadband-l
ines.html

Clearly demonstrates the rates have changed (TRY to for once read the story) since the civil case which you dont comprehend either.

Thats LAW as in what is on the actual VOA website, a division of HM Customs.

Not some 2 year old kiddie fight in a civil court. The rates are also likely to change again soon.
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Posted: 9 February, 2012 - 5:41 AM
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@Deduction
As I said, definitely no links to a more recent case then, civil or otherwise.
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Posted: 11 February, 2012 - 1:35 AM
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As i said try to read
"The related Rating Manual page appears to have been updated on 4th January 2012"

The rates in your link are old, again as i originally stated.
Civil cases do not set tax rates for this country either.

Clearly you are doing what you do best, being an idiot troll
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Posted: 14 February, 2012 - 1:35 PM
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@Deduction
Did anyone state civil cases do set tax rates? If so please post link to comment.

You did say that the case I linked to was old, however you have not been able to post a link to anything more recent despite multiple requests.
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Posted: 15 February, 2012 - 2:55 AM
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Repeats as you are stupid......

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2012/01/05/voa-releases-new-uk-tax-proposals-for-next-gen-fibre-optic-broadband-l

ines.html

QUOTE""The related Rating Manual page appears to have been updated on 4th January 2012"

Thats newer than your 2 year old case.

You do know what year we are in do you not??

The tax rate has changed since that case and is due to be reviewed again shortly, id link to the HM customs link but it appears you can not even read even when its directly quoted here.



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