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Broadband ISPs Respond to Boris Johnson’s Call to Build, Build, Build

Tuesday, June 30th, 2020 (1:27 pm) - Score 8,722
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The UK Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, has today pledged to accelerate new infrastructure projects by establishing something called Project Speed to “scythe through red tape and get things done,” although unfortunately the announcement was rather short on specifics (or anything truly new) for broadband and mobile.

Prior to today’s speech in Dudley there had been some newspaper reports, which suggested that broadband might be one of the areas to benefit from the Prime Minister’s announcement (i.e. some limited talk of new investment). But so far as we could tell the Prime Minister didn’t actually announce anything new on that front.

The best we got today were a few fleeting mentions of broadband and a pledge of £900m for a range of “shovel ready” local growth projects in England over the course of this year and next (we’ve already reported on a few of those), as well as £96m to accelerate investment in town centres and high streets through the Towns Fund this year (old news). Both are existing announcements and include some aspect of broadband delivery.

Lest we forget Boris Johnson’s existing commitment to invest £5bn in order to get “gigabit broadband sprouting in every home” by the end of 2025 – focused on the final 20% of premises (here). Curiously there wasn’t any specific mention of that target today, which is a little surprising since almost everything else seemed to be a re-announcement of existing plans. But there was one interesting bit below.

Boris Johnson said:

“Delays in our system are a massive drag on the productivity and the prosperity of this country and so we will build better and build greener but we will also build faster. And that is why the Chancellor and I have set up Project Speed to scythe through red tape and get things done.

And with every home we make, every mile of full fibre broadband that we lay, with every flood-defending culvert that we dig, with every railway station, hospital or school that we build. We will of course be tackling the next wave of this crisis, by helping to create thousands of high-paid high-skilled jobs. Because we know in our hearts that the furloughing cannot go on forever.

And in those towns that feel left behind we have plans to invest in their centres. And with new academy schools, new green buses, new broadband. And we want to make them places where people have the confidence to stay, to raise their families and to start businesses.”

Project Speed sounds interestingly, although at this stage we’re not entirely sure how (if at all) it will differ, in terms of aiding broadband delivery, from the good work that DCMS’s existing Barrier Busting Task Force has already been doing for the past few years.

Greg Mesch, CEO of CityFibre, said:

“Project Speed will not find a faster technology than full fibre infrastructure to support the country’s recovery. Our multi-billion pound shovel-ready build programme is already well underway which will allow CityFibre to create up to 10,000 jobs up and down the country.

From Bradford to Southend, Doncaster to Ipswich and beyond, the opportunity is there for full fibre to create a new agile, green and balanced economy where nobody is left behind. What the U.K. needs now is the Government to put in place the right policy and regulatory conditions to level up our digital infrastructure and unlock a new platform for success.”

Lloyd Felton, CEO County Broadband, said:

“We welcome today’s announcement of a multi-billion pound investment in the UK’s infrastructure to turbo charge economic growth, but note that there was no firm commitment to re-fuelling the pledge towards providing full-fibre connectivity to the whole of the UK by 2025.

The COVID-19 lockdown has transformed almost every aspect of modern life and, creating an unexpected mass trial of working from home, video calling family and friends, virtual education for our children, online consultations and the move away from traditional TV to online streaming…

The golden thread running through this is broadband and whilst the UK’s digital infrastructure has, by in large, been holding steady, the creaking at the seams is becoming noticeably louder. For too long we have relied on outdated copper cables to deliver this essential utility and the UK continues to lag behind our European neighbours.

We must turbocharge the rollout of future-ready full-fibre broadband so businesses have the digital capacity for growth and households can keep connected to the ever-growing number of devices and services in the home. Nowhere is this more important than in rural parts of the country which have historically been left behind.

We are continuing to drive forward the rollout of our Hyperfast full-fibre service to ‘often-forgotten’ rural communities across Essex, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire following a multi-million private investment. A collaborative approach of private and public investment will mean the UK can stand tall in the digital sphere and compete on an international scale. Any failure to do so will ripple through generations to come. We must not delay.”

Daren Baythorpe, CEO of Full Fibre Network ITS, said:

“Connectivity has been vital for businesses to continue to operate during lockdown and will play a critical role in the country’s economic recovery as we navigate the new normal. As a business, we focus on building networks reusing existing ducts where we can – quick to build, clean, green and sustainable. We are committed to continuing to play our role in the government’s ambitions and supporting Project Speed, rolling out full fibre networks as part of our Faster Britain programme, working with our partner community to deliver connectivity and broadband where it is needed most.”

Hopefully we’ll get a better idea of what the Government intends once the next Spending Review comes around. Not to mention the long awaited National Infrastructure Strategy (NIS), which is apparently due later this year (we’ve heard that one before). Meanwhile some might be forgiven for responding to the “build, build, build” call with a quote from the 1996 film Jerry Maguire – “show.. me.. the.. money..” (replace “money” with “policy” or “framework” as required).

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  1. Avatar The Facts says:

    CityFibre overbuilding new Virgin Media is just what we need.

    1. Avatar Kom says:

      Broadband in the UK is so pathetic:

      VM replacing DOCSIS 3.0 with 3.1 while 4.0 and Low-Latency DOCSIS are already invented.

      BT FTTP arbitrarily setting DL:UP ratio. For GPON, 1000/500 is totally doable while 1000/130 is default and 1000/220 is £££.

      Cityfibre… symmetric. Then Vodafone becomes the bottleneck and don’t expect large speeds over single threaded downloads.

      If only city councils built single mode, dedicated fibres from homes to the nearest cab! That’s the most future-proof solution. Yes, this is doable. If DSL cables are dedicated, so could be the fibre cables.

    2. Avatar Kom says:

      Broadband in the UK is so pathetic:

      VM replacing DOCSIS 3.0 with 3.1 while 4.0 and Low-Latency DOCSIS are already invented.

      BT FTTP arbitrarily setting DL:UP ratio. For GPON, 1000/500 is totally doable while 1000/130 is default and 1000/220 is £££.

      Cityfibre… symmetric. Then Vodafone becomes the bottleneck and don’t expect large speeds over single threaded downloads.

      If only city councils built single mode, dedicated fibres from homes to the nearest cab! That’s the most future-proof solution. Yes, this is doable. If DSL cables are dedicated, so could be the fibre cables.

    3. Avatar CarlT says:

      ‘Broadband in the UK is so pathetic:

      VM replacing DOCSIS 3.0 with 3.1 while 4.0 and Low-Latency DOCSIS are already invented.’

      4.0 is still in the lab. Exactly zero production silicon. LLD works fine with 3.1.

    4. Avatar Mike says:

      Companies build where it is economical to do so, it’s not their fault if the government has made rural areas less viable, it’s the people who elected them who bare the blame.

    5. Avatar CarlT says:

      Talking of things beyond obsolete CityFibre are installing GPON when XGSPON and NG-PON2 have been invented.

      The latest and greatest technology comes with the latest and greatest price tag and that price tag is not usually conducive to making money when many people resent paying more than £25-30 a month for their Internet service.

  2. Avatar Alex says:

    For ‘shovel ready’ read ‘soundbite ready’

    1. Avatar Ben says:

      This is classic Boris. He conned a lot of people when he ran for mayor, promising lots but delivering very little.

      I don’t expect anything to happen out of this. In 5 years broadband will inevitably be a bit better and Boris will take credit, but not actually have contributed. I’d be surprised if they have even got as far as doing London.

    2. Avatar Alex says:

      I was talking about Greg, but sure!

  3. Avatar Burble says:

    Sounds like the usual Boris bullshit, keep announcing the same old thing.

    1. Avatar ianh says:

      All politics is bullshit, its just a bunch of people who say the other side is wrong.

      Doesn’t matter about what, just wrong, wrong, wrong.

  4. Avatar joe says:

    Scrapping some the rules on not digging up roads would be nice, radically shortening he times to get apps to dig them up or put in diversions etc etc…

    1. Avatar Dave Scott says:

      I agree it would speed up the process instead needing permission

    2. Avatar joe says:

      Permission prob will always be needed. Though it could be negative resolution which would help (on rural roads esp) and the sort of arbitrary limits like those bad practices from Section 58 need sorting…

    3. Avatar ianh says:

      @Joe, permission could be dialled back if they had a clear (and fast) system in place to fix any cockups/shoddy work after the work is done.

    4. Avatar joe says:

      Sure its one way to go and not a bad thing. That may reduce delays as councils are very slow at processing when you do need road closures etc. Thats true of all planning tbh. There is little incentive for councils to do the work quickly…

  5. Avatar Buggerlugz says:

    “Lest we forget Boris Johnson’s existing commitment to invest £5bn in order to get “gigabit broadband sprouting in every home” by the end of 2025 – focused on the final 20% of premises”

    Never-mind the fact its completely unaffordable regardless if its “sprouting in every home by the end of 2025”.

    Ditching the useless regulator completely would be far more beneficial to UK broadband. Its not like they actually protect consumers anyway.

    1. Avatar Sandra says:

      Is it? I think Bt’s pricing on their offerings is totally affordable! – I admit that prices when you have to have it built for you are nuts – but then again until OR actually sort these areas out – them’s the choices!!

    2. Avatar Jonathan says:

      I think Openreach said so something in the region of £30 billion over 10 years. You do recall how much the government has borrowed in the last three months? It’s well north of £30 billion that’s for sure.

  6. Avatar Sandra says:

    And OR will just sit on their hands as per usual.

    1. Avatar The Facts says:

      Building faster then anyone else?

    2. Avatar GNewton says:

      Err no, BT/Openreach is more than a decade late.

    3. Avatar FibreFred says:

      A decade late , is that some official milestone or your own personal one?

    4. Avatar Fastman says:

      g-Newton please advise when you are build your own fibre network with your money as yet you continually complain about one that has spent billlions of its own money building one and would rather not use it

    5. Avatar Pete says:

      It will be called ‘JNeuhoff FTTP’ – available to 100% of UK properties. Only £9.99/m for 1 Gig down & up with a free £500 pre-paid Mastercard thrown it. Whats not to like!

  7. Avatar Philip Cheeseman says:

    More talk as usual but so little progress. Wake me up when I can get faster than 20mbps through any technology that won’t cost me £100s (satellite?) or £1000s (FTTPoD). I live in a town of 10000+ people and we have no FTTP at all (except for 3 or 4 business in the town centre next to the exchange). FTTC is a joke of a fill in technology when you have oversubscribed cabinets servicing large estates of 500+ properties. I’d like to think VM or an altnet would come to my rescue, but I won’t hold my breath.

    1. Avatar Fastman says:

      philip

      so if you not happy fund fibre for your self or with your commmunity then

    2. Avatar GNewton says:

      @Fastman: What a strange question of yours! You do realize we are in the year 2020, don’t you?

      Users like Philip Cheeseman are not asking for a freebie, they are willing to pay for an adequate fibre broadband, like you would in other countries like Sweden or Spain. Don’t you think it’s strange to ask users to organize a local campaign just to get a fibre broadband utility?

      Also, most towns of 10000 or more in this country are usually densely populated, we are not dealing here with a remote isolated rural premise. Ducts and poles are already there.

      Something fundamentally has gone wrong here in this country for the past decade or more, and people here aren’t even aware of it!

      BTW.: The Guardian had an interesting article yesterday on Johnson’s so-called new deal where it stated:

      “Johnson’s commitment to bring forward infrastructure spending of £5bn amounts to just 0.2% of current UK GDP. By comparison, overall the New Deal (used to drag America out of the Great Depression) was estimated to be worth about 40% of the US national income of 1929.”

      It’s good to see companies like BT/Openreach etc are finally coming to their senses with regards to fibre broadband deployments, though they are way too late.

  8. Avatar James Jolley says:

    To the person complaining about Vodafone’s network, never had an issue on Cityfibre at all. I was able to download the last of us, all 93 gig of it, in roughly 36 minutes. That’s fast enough for most I’d think.

  9. Avatar Fibre Roll Out says:

    I don’t believe Boris Johnson or Tory government words!

  10. Avatar Josh Welby says:

    I do not think it will be fast where OR is involved or Virgin
    Virgin is now 600MBs per second in my area (London)
    And OR is up to 20MBs or 80MBs if you are lucky
    I have Virgin, because I cannot stand OR’s slow speeds
    I hope we get Hyperopic or Cityfibre here so we can have more choice

  11. Avatar Dave Scott says:

    I agree with CarlT I would be so simpler to get rid of all the technical jargon. I know would take years and years to get everyone on FTTP it would so simple just to use FTTP Fibre to the Premises. They have so much different technology they have the newer FTTP FTTN FTTH FTTB and DOCSIS 3.0 3.1 and coming soon 4.0 and HFC Hybrid Fibre Coax cable. Like Virgin Media use DOCSIS 3.1 Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification a mix Fibre Optic Cables and HFC. It’s just one big Complicated mess.

    1. Avatar CarlT says:

      I’m not sure what you’re agreeing with. Most people don’t care about the jargon anyway just the service delivered.

      Hybrid services may be advertised as fibre optic broadband and that works for most.

      The jargon is always going to be there. There are at least 6 different varieties of FTTP, ignoring VM’s RFoG, in use in the UK – GPON, XGPON, XGSPON, 10G-EPON, 1000Base-BX and 10GBase-BX – of varying architectures and capabilities.

      Jargon is going nowhere for those who care. Those who don’t will just call it their broadband or WiFi.

    2. Avatar Dave Scott says:

      Well if put that way Yes. I do care a little if the government kept us all on ADSL2+ instead of wasting money on VDSL2 technology. They could of had more money to put in to FTTP. But that’s the away they did. You can’t get everything your own way. I am just grateful I have the internet with all this COVID-19 going around.

      I hope everyone keeping safe

    3. Avatar CarlT says:

      They could indeed have invested purely in FTTP, however they would’ve covered one third the people in three times the time.

      Going VDSL was the right choice for the time. That there are still people on the cheapest 40 Mb product or even on ADSL when they can get faster services shows where the market remains. VDSL is acceptable to most for right now, 2/3rds of those with VDSL also have an ultrafast option now and rising.

      It’s fine. We aren’t Japan (much higher spend on tech, much higher proportion of population in apartments, and even then had a big VDSL/VDSL2 deployment in the 2000s) and our advertising requirements prevent us being France (massively congested networks sold super cheaply).

      You can sell 1000 Mbit in France that slows to 200 Mbit at peak times on average as gigabit. Here that’s a product sold as 200 Mbit.

    4. Avatar GNewton says:

      @Dave Scott: Don’t expect too much! Not even this very website at ISPReview makes a clear distinction with these different terms. E.g. they have “Fibre Broadband” adverts fro companies like Direct Telecom which actually are VDSL services. You can blame ASA for not doing its job with regards to misleading adverts.

  12. Avatar Barney says:

    I contacted my local parish council (live in a village) about getting a community fibre partnership going last year. They were not terribly interested; all they did was to pass on my request to the local volunteer who does the elderly IT drop-in sessions in the village hall (you know the type, long retired, once worked at IBM, know’s it all) and he said “we have fibre in the village” – yes, an FTTC cabinet 500m up the road from the nearest house! Hopefully something will change soon.

    1. Avatar Fastman says:

      so if thats 500 metre up the road and enabled you should get in excess of > 30 meg (defintion of superfast) if its not enabled and your miles away from the exchnage you prob get about 2 megs — (ask 90%) of your village whether they prefer > 30% or 2 – the answer is easy – they wont care how its delivered)

      parish councils cant do anything really about CFPs they certainly cannot fund them or use parish funds to contibute to them

    2. Avatar Lindsey Annison says:

      “parish councils cant do anything really about CFPs they certainly cannot fund them or use parish funds to contibute to them”

      Fastman – you have clearly never heard of the Public Works & Loans Board which permits, and has permitted since 1793, parishes to fund exactly this type of project. Look it up.

    3. Avatar joe says:

      If you can find a parish doing broadband since 1793 😉

    4. Avatar Barney says:

      Sorry, it’s not about the parish funding the CFP(!), but actually having some interest to look into it. It’s a linear settlement more or less so the FTTC speed when you goto most houses drops down a lot.

    5. Avatar Go Faster Jeff says:

      @Lindsey Annison
      That scheme is for loans not payments. Even if it was not, you will obviously understand that it becomes aid if the money comes from the parish.

  13. Avatar OR says:

    FTTC to stay for next 10 years! Cos OR are too slow to catch up FTTP

    1. Avatar Fastman says:

      ridiculous statement – and one that shows no understanding of the commercial and funding mehcanism of an infrastructure build — most of these major projects are based on somewhere between 15 – 25 year payback period. that mean if you spend money in 2010 – 2015 your expected to break even or cover your costs between 2025 – 2040 !!!!!!

    2. Avatar CarlT says:

      Their build is one of the fastest going and continues to ramp up.

      Easier access to the EU labour pool would have helped but that ship has sailed. Hopefully plenty will be willing to work outside!

      I can’t get FTTC at all btw.

    3. Avatar Dave Scott says:

      I disagree with You OR. They are deploying FTTP just now VDSL2 will die out. If the U.K. government have there way Openreach aim 15 Million by 2025 it maybe 2030 before nearly the hole U.K.

    4. Avatar NGA for all says:

      CarlT .. is there more than one CarlT? The other CarlT has two FTTC cabinets and FTTP in Huntslett. VM may also be nearby.

    5. Avatar CarlT says:

      I moved home, NGA.

      The old address has FTTC, G.fast, FTTP and VM coverage.

    6. Avatar CarlT says:

      FTTP deployment won’t kill FTTC immediately just as FTTC hasn’t killed ADSL immediately. Even now, over a decade since VDSL started going live, people still choose ADSL over it.

      You are welcome to disagree, however that’s an opinion that isn’t based on any evidence.

    7. Avatar GNewton says:

      @CarlT: “old address has FTTC, G.fast, FTTP” yes, after how many years of your local campaign? Or would they have built the fibre network anyway?

    8. Avatar NGA for all says:

      @CarlT ..enjoy your new home. It was important on deploying FTTC or FTTP that investment decisions were not impaired by BT Group attempts to retain its capital contribution (subject post contract ‘true up’) thereby making OR resource decisions subject to the success of their gambit to Gov. This when combined with the near withdrawal of FTTP in 2013 meant many many sub-optimal decisions. As late as 2016 OR still hampered by a BT Group representation that G.Fast and FTTCdp variant would be a panacea.

      The waste will cost everyone.

  14. Avatar Michael V says:

    I would like to see the government make it harder for councils to block the building of new mobile network masts.
    Everyone demands connectivity but many protest about the infrastructure.
    I admire his vision on broadband also.

    1. Avatar Timeless says:

      the problem is it isnt really his vision and given much of his other promises l dont see it happening.. its more about looking sounding good than substance.

  15. Avatar Chris says:

    I don’t really get what this big fascination is with faster and faster speeds. 80-100mbps is more than we’ll ever need even if 6 family members are streaming content. The only scenario I could think of where you’d need such speeds are if you’ve got a few kids doing major game updates/downloads and everyones streaming from a tab which would be a once in the blue moon thing. If anything they need to make laws to stop isp’s over selling broadband. The green cabinets at the bottom of the street need to be upgraded so that it can still provide 80 Mbps to everyone in the street even if everyone’s on standard line. Recently I’ve seen my gitter on speed tests go up which is a clear indication of line instability due to overload, my ping remain low which leads me to believe my ISP uses no traffic management such as interleaving as my ping would be drastically effected otherwise. When we need interleaving you know there’s a major bandwidth issue, I think they first need to fix that before they think about making speeds faster.

    1. Mark Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      Part of the issue here Chris is that you shouldn’t build infrastructure to only satisfy today’s needs, you build it to satisfy what you expect people to need in the future. If you only build to today’s needs then you end up being out of date very quickly and having to duplicate your investment. So it’s less about whether or not you need 80-100Mbps today and more about ensuring the choice is there to go faster, when you need it.

    2. Avatar Ryan says:

      Few problems with this Chris:

      1) Not everyone gets 80mbps as advertised and the further you are the worse the speed
      2) 80 is not enough in 2020 for a house with technological users – Game downloads are 100GB a pop, 4K Netflix streaming is 25mbps, online gaming. It won’t take long at all for your 80mbps line to be saturated quickly and that’s assuming you get 80
      3) Your missing upload which is the bigger problem the further away from the cabinet you are. We get at home 25/4 upload and with the working from home and school work we now have to schedule video calling time for one person otherwise we cannot use it.

      25 which we get isn’t enough and is the best we can get (our minimum guaranteed speed is 18!), it’s 2020 and its no longer fit for purpose in our house now never mind in the future.

      Let’s hope an altnet, virgin, or 5G can come a long because the second they are I will be dropping our fttc connection.

    3. Avatar gary says:

      Very valid comments Mark, unfortunately it seems that many physical deployments dont seem to be doing this, else we wouldnt have so many staggering FTTPod quotes to run miles of fibre back to AGs when theres a cabinet a several hundred metres away, Or newbuild FTTP native installs that dont extend the reach of the network closer to everybody else.

    4. Avatar Rahul says:

      Chris, the problem isn’t just the 80Mbps limitation with FTTC. If you have high congestion/crosstalk on that cabinet due to overload of customers signing up to FTTC then that 80Mbps that you once had may easily drop to 60Mbps or less.

      That’s the problem we have with FTTC right now. Not to mention one other problem is that copper suffers from greater interference due to noise margin issues.

      It is indeed true that FTTC is much more reliable than ADSL. I only got upgraded to FTTC in October 2019 and I appreciate the performance I am getting. I am lucky to get 80/20 vs the 12Mbps that I was getting before. But to wait over a decade to get FTTC isn’t acceptable when data size has sky rocketed.

      Just look at FIFA and NBA 2K for example on PC. They used to be around 12GB in download size and now they are 50GB! And on top of that no more retail DVD versions being sold for the PC versions of any of these games. So we have no option but to digitally download these games.

      While 80Mbps is just about enough for my needs, what happens if after 5 years these games go up to 100GB or more. That 80Mbps will become more like 40Mbps, it will take double the time to get these to complete.

      FTTP solves this problem as you have a greater choice of speed packages to choose from. Not to mention that the lower tier speeds will naturally become cheaper on FTTP with time unlike with FTTC where packages are stuck between two choices 80/20 and 40/10 so there’s less consumer choice.

      There is also no DLM (Dynamic Line Management) to worry about. If you had power cut/firmware update or turned on or off your router repeatedly, DLM may trigger interleaving which will then have an impact on your speed and you have to wait for your speed to normalize again.

      FTTP doesn’t have this issue and it is immune to electromagnetic interference’s.

      You say, the green cabinet can be upgraded again to support those speeds. But this will result in extra cost for a new street cabinet. I had to wait 10 years on EO Line to finally get connected to a cabinet and cost was definitely a factor in the delay. It makes no economical sense to keep upgrading the cabinet just to support 80Mbps or 330Mbps (G.Fast). That’s why Openreach abandoned G.Fast for example and refocused their attention to FTTP. FTTP will not get outdated, but FTTC and G.Fast will.

  16. Avatar Yatta! says:

    This latest empty Cummings slogan should read BILGE, BILGE, BILGE…

  17. Avatar Harry Barker says:

    Unfortunately BT are currently quoting some individuals “in excess of £100,000” (just 6 miles from a market town – not in an inaccessible rural area) for fibre upgrade under the USO registration, with Philip Jansen’s executives blaming Ofcom and the system, while continuing to cause stress and upset to some elderly residents, and charging full contract prices to customers on speeds as low as 0.5MB.

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