{"id":19205,"date":"2019-08-25T00:01:22","date_gmt":"2019-08-24T23:01:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ispreview.co.uk\/?p=19205"},"modified":"2024-02-23T15:27:31","modified_gmt":"2024-02-23T15:27:31","slug":"its-technology-opportunity-and-threat-from-uk-copper-switch-off","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ispreview.co.uk\/index.php\/2019\/08\/its-technology-opportunity-and-threat-from-uk-copper-switch-off.html","title":{"rendered":"ITS Technology – Opportunity and Threat from UK Copper Switch Off"},"content":{"rendered":"

The CEO of UK ISP ITS Technology<\/a>, Daren Baythorpe, has told ISPreview.co.uk in a new interview that the UK’s push to switch-off old copper line broadband networks in favour of Gigabit speed “full fibre<\/em>” (FTTP<\/a>) presents both “opportunity and threat<\/em>,” not least from the risk of enabling Openreach<\/a> to “recreate a monopoly<\/em>.”<\/p>\n

At present ITS runs 24 alternative full fibre and hybrid (wireless and fibre) networks across the United Kingdom and their current contracts enable access to more than 70,000 premises<\/strong>, which primarily reflects business connections but they also serve a few residential properties in nearby areas.<\/p>\n

The provider has just spent the last 18 months transforming and restructuring itself ready for further growth, which among other things has involved upgrading some of their smaller hybrid networks whilst also developing and building out their existing and new full fibre infrastructure.<\/p>\n

As part of the above effort the ITS Technology<\/a> Group last year appointed the former MD of Openreach<\/a>’s (BT<\/a>) Business and Corporate Delivery, Daren Baythorpe<\/strong>, to become its new CEO. The new boss says he supports the current government’s drive to achieve universal “full fibre<\/em>” coverage via targeted investments, business rates relief on new fibre (although he wants this to last longer than 5 years), a softening of regulation and connectivity vouchers etc.<\/p>\n

However Daren also believes that the current government could go further and should look at “smart alternative financial models<\/em>,” which he says might allow for investment in innovative commercial schemes, such as asset sharing etc. Admittedly organising this at scale and across lots of different networks could be tricky.<\/p>\n

Furthermore Daren told us that the planned copper switch-off and gradual migration to full fibre presents both “opportunity and threat.<\/em>” In particular he warns that his former employer, Openreach<\/a>, could use its “scale and go to market capabilities to try to recreate a monopoly<\/em>.” On the other hand he says there’s a “greater opportunity and place for all as agile altnets continue to accelerate full fibre rollout as copper switches off<\/em>.”<\/p>\n

We touched on all of these issues and more in our short interview below.<\/p>\n

NOTE:<\/strong> This interview was conducted before Boris Johnson became Prime Minister, which means it uses the 2033 full fibre target instead of the new 2025 one.<\/div>\n

The ITS Technology Interview<\/strong><\/span><\/h3>\n

1. ITS has spent the past few years deploying and acquiring a series of fibre optic and wireless broadband networks across different parts of the United Kingdom. Can you tell us a little about how many networks you have now, as well as how many premises have been covered and customers connected?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

ITS has 24 full fibre and hybrid networks across the UK. During the last few years, we have focused on realigning our business strategy \u2013 securing major commercial network agreements and driving a pipeline of strategic growth opportunities.<\/p>\n

Our current full fibre major networks contracts and hybrid networks enable access to more than 70,000 premises.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

2. Back in 2016 ITS took a huge decision by making your network available via wholesale to other providers. How has that change impacted your business and are some of your networks still being excluded from this (I recall that originally some of your wireless networks in Wales and East Manchester were not included)?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

We have opened up all our full fibre networks and some of our hybrid networks to other providers \u2013 all those that connect into our national network. It was absolutely the right decision to take. We are steadily growing this side of the offer as our footprint increases, and it remains one of our key growth strategies.<\/p>\n

To underpin our wholesale offer, we have made some key appointments to ensure we have the skills to take this forward. We have particularly focussed on the reseller business, which has grown significantly since a programme restructure and relaunch earlier this year. This shift in strategy has had a positive impact on the business where we have seen circa 30% growth year on year (as of H1 2019).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

3. Some of the networks you run appear to serve residential premises too, although finding out precisely what is available to homes, where and how much it costs still seems to be difficult. Can you tell us a little bit more about what sort of services are available to homes, and where?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

Whilst our strategy is focussed on the B2B market, where appropriate and through the right channels, we will deliver and build residential services and infrastructure across a number of locations. This is for three reasons. Firstly, ITS acquired some small providers delivering services on hybrid networks over the course of 2014\/15. We have since made significant investment to improve, upgrade and deliver superfast if not gigabit capable services to these often overlooked rural areas.<\/p>\n

The second reason is that one of our key aims is to deliver connectivity where it is needed, which includes communities. The result is several new networks have been installed to help communities without fit for purpose connectivity. We don\u2019t believe in leaving anyone digitally excluded, so the makeup of the end-users is a mix of business \u2013 for example a pub, a school, village hall etc \u2013 and residential premises.<\/p>\n

The third reason is because we have developed expertise in delivering connectivity and cloud services to historic country estates. Again, this serves a mixture of business, agricultural and residential properties in hard to reach locations.<\/p>\n

Where we have built these networks, we often build out to serve neighbouring communities \u2013 a great example of this is in Teesside, where we have long served the Wilton Centre, a science and business park, and have recently built out using a RAN.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

4. Do you expect to expand into covering more residential properties in the future or is the plan to keep ITS focused upon business connectivity?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

Our focus remains on our B2B and wholesale propositions. However, should it be appropriate, and if there is demand to serve a mixture of business and residential premises, we will do so with the right channel strategy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

5. Which of your networks would you say has been the biggest and most challenging, and why?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

Every network brings its own challenges; from the commercials to difficult terrain. Being given code powers last year has certainly taken away some of the pain! I am proud of our \u2018concession\u2019 and coop networks; the innovative nature of the agreements we have with local authorities, coupled with asset reuse.<\/p>\n

Getting specific, a couple of networks spring to mind. The first is a rural full fibre network we delivered against the odds in Littleworth, Buckinghamshire. The second is the full fibre network in Tameside.<\/p>\n

Starting with Littleworth Common; this was a village that was completely overlooked and had really struggled to overcome this. Our rural team came up with a design and commercially viable network that is futureproof and capable of connecting the entire village. Having faced and dealt with many hurdles, we took a greenfield site and laid more than 3km of fibre to connect the village including 2 pubs, a village hall, school and residential properties. The villagers have also benefitted from BDUK funding, which shows how valuable these schemes are, particularly in these underserved areas.<\/p>\n

The UK-wide Cooperative Network Infrastructure (previously The Digital Infrastructure Cooperative), is a project that really allows us to flex our reuse muscles. We have played a big role in developing a model in Tameside which is now being rolled out across the country, with support from BDUK.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

6. The last financial results we saw for ITS, to the end of 2017, noted that the company had net current liabilities of over \u00a3800K, net liabilities of \u00a31.586m and a loss before taxation for the year of \u00a33.558m. On top of that the average number of people employed by ITS (inc. directors) during the year was recorded as 33 (down from 45 in 2016).<\/strong><\/p>\n

However it’s not uncommon for infrastructure providers to suffer big losses during a growth period as the cost of deploying such networks is significant. We also understood from the same results that ITS had developed a business plan through to 2023 and continued to enjoy the support of creditors.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Can you give us a hint about what that business plan is and where you expect to be in around 3-4 years\u2019 time?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

Yes, like all other altnets and network providers, there is a certain amount of cash burn while we invest heavily in capital on network assets. We are delighted to have the continued support of our investors.<\/p>\n

Our business performance continues to improve year on year, with our current year of trading showing material improvements on last year.<\/p>\n

My focus has been on getting the business ready to grow at pace and take advantage of the current exciting market opportunities. We have now transformed the business from a strategic, structural and process perspective, improving service, and making some key appointments. This has ensured that we not only have the right skills to take us forward, but also have the right infrastructure and capability to deliver on our business plan.<\/p>\n

Our strategy moving forward is to continue to build on our network footprint and apply our \u2018dig once\u2019 approach where we can. However, we expect to move into a faster growth phase moving into 2020.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

7. Earlier this year Cityfibre<\/a> lost a Judicial Review of the UK advertising watchdog\u2019s decision (or at least its interpretation of related research) not to clamp down on ISPs that advertised slower hybrid fibre (FTTC<\/a> \/ VDSL2<\/a> \/ Cable etc.) services as \u201cfibre\u201d, \u201cfibre broadband\u201d or \u201cfibre optic broadband\u201d etc.<\/strong><\/p>\n

The operator had wanted only true \u201cfull fibre\u201d (FTTP<\/a>) providers to have the right to use such terminology in their adverts. Do you think the court made the right decision and what would you have done differently, if anything?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

No, I don\u2019t think the court made the right decision. It\u2019s incredibly disappointing and is an issue that as a business we face; particularly since we launched our low contention full fibre broadband service \u2013 FibreLight. The misuse of the terms creates confusion, but more important, it is stifling \u2018the stimulation\u2019 of growth.<\/p>\n

We absolutely support the industry (INCA) view that there must be more clarity. A huge investment was made by CityFibre<\/a>. Hindsight is always easy, but maybe a more joined up altnet approach might have had more impact and swayed the judgement?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

8. A number of alternative \u201cfull fibre\u201d (FTTP<\/a>) network providers (e.g. TalkTalk<\/a>, Hyperoptic<\/a>, Cityfibre<\/a>, Gigaclear<\/a> and INCA) have called on Ofcom<\/a> and the Government to take tougher action against Openreach (BT<\/a>), not least in order to limit their ability to overbuild them and thus hopefully improve overall UK network coverage.<\/strong><\/p>\n

However, nearly all of this battle is currently taking place in urban areas, where commercial competition is natural and often aggressive. Likewise there are advantages to overbuild between rivals, such as a greater a choice of networks \/ services. On the other hand it can make the market more complicated for both consumers and wholesale ISP clients.<\/strong><\/p>\n

What are your views on this issue and how do you think it should be tackled?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

We recognise that the UK is in a phase of fibre transition and are greatly encouraged by Openreach\u2019s decision to plan for the copper switch off. We are proud to be an altnet building gigabit capable networks during these unprecedented times in the UK; the likes we will not see again.<\/p>\n

With regards to competition; our view is that DCMS\u2019 FTIR released in 2018, illustrated that in urban areas at least a third, if not more, would be able to sustain 3 or more competing gigabit capable networks; and up to half of premises are likely to be in areas that can support competition between 2 gigabit capable networks.<\/p>\n

Choice and competition are important where the economics of the environment can sustain them. The way to reduce complication is to create open access networks \u2013 as we do. Giving service providers flexibility on which networks they can use provides maximum utilisation and optimal competition \u2013 and is transparent to the end user. In rural areas a natural monopoly at infrastructure level is likely to continue. We will use our wholesale access approach to provide choice at the retail level wherever possible.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Please flick over to page 2 to continue this interview..<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

9. The Government recently published their new Online Harms White Paper, which appears to mark a significant shift toward a much more censored internet, where everything from fake news to hate speech and conspiracy theories could, at an extreme, end up being either removed at source or blocked by a broadband ISP.<\/strong><\/p>\n

The rules will focus upon major social networks (Facebook, Twitter etc.) but could also target smaller file-hosting sites, online forums, messaging services and even internet search engines. Smaller sites may struggle to implement effective filtering due to cost and limited human moderation resources (e.g. individual blogs are run by people who simply aren\u2019t awake 24\/7 to monitor such things).<\/strong><\/p>\n

One difficulty here is that there can be different interpretations of what is or is not \u201cfake news\u201d and some of the other content category definitions are similarly ambiguous. Suffice to say, many fear that in the race to protect internet users and children from harm we might ultimately sacrifice freedom of speech and expression. What are your thoughts on the recent proposals?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

ITS believes in creating a digital future that encourages wholesome use and the wellbeing of users, and protects the most vulnerable people in society from harm.<\/p>\n

As a network provider, we meet our obligations under the telecoms act through our acceptable use policy and ensure our networks are used appropriately. Beyond this, the responsibility falls to content and service providers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

10. In keeping with the above, Government politicians are known to be concerned about the future adoption of DNS over HTTPs (DoH) technology. At present ISPs usually control their own Domain Name Systems (DNS), but the new encrypted DoH solution can be managed by a third-party (e.g. Google\u2019s Chrome website browser) and they may in the future enable it by default.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Politicians are concerned that DoH may hamper their censorship plans and some ISPs are also worried that it could create more problems for their service, such as by hindering the operation of certain features. On the other hand DoH is fundamentally a security and privacy improvement for consumers. What is your perspective on this debate?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

We believe there has been a perceptible shift in where the power base lies in the digital value chain. Up until recently, ISPs controlled customers and network providers controlled the margins of the ISPs. However, the shift now means that this power is in the hands of over the top media and content providers.<\/p>\n

We feel this is inevitable, so there needs to be more focus on this part of the market and on the \u2018self-regulation\u2019 of content providers i.e. social networks.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

11. The Government wants to see nationwide coverage of \u201cfull fibre\u201d (FTTP) broadband ISP networks by 2033 and in order to do that they\u2019ve committed nearly \u00a31bn to help foster such networks, such as through targeted investment schemes and vouchers. Do you think this is the right approach to achieve such an aim and, if not, what should they be doing differently?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

We fully support the voucher schemes, as well as grants and other subsidy provision as a way to stimulate demand. I must add though, that in the UK, state aid is often perceived to be a stigma and it shouldn\u2019t. Across the rest of Europe, state aid is seen as a springboard to stimulate markets. The LFFN scheme is a great example of doing it the right way.<\/p>\n

There is a clear need for these initiatives. To help further, the government could make the intentions of such schemes, such as public sector anchor tenancy, more straightforward in order to deliver its full fibre vision. Running procurements for grant funded programmes could also be phased, as we are all too aware of the skills shortage in this sector.<\/p>\n

For all these reasons, and because of the fast-moving nature of this market, the government should also look at smart alternative financial models that will allow them to invest in innovative commercial schemes, such as asset sharing etc.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

12. As part of the aforementioned effort the UK Government has already introduced a 5 year holiday on business rates for new fibre optic lines (effective since April 2017), although Scotland has just introduced a 10 years relief for the same purpose.<\/strong><\/p>\n

At the same time we note that the payback period for FTTP networks can be extremely lengthy, often extending to 10-15 years. Do you think the UK Government should also extend their relief from 5 years to 10 or possibly more?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

Yes, the government should do what it can in this area to offer relief to us altnets who are fulfilling its vision! But seriously, yes it should. Extending the period will give further incentive to build out the networks too, so more communities \/ businesses \/ residents will benefit.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

13. Openreach and Ofcom<\/a> have both recently launched consultations on their future approach to switching off old copper networks as part of a phased move toward full fibre FTTP infrastructure. What sort of challenges do you see this as creating in the future for ITS Technology<\/a>, if any, and how do you think it should be handled?<\/strong><\/p>\n

ANSWER:<\/u><\/p>\n

The copper switch off is inevitable and we encourage it as fibre or gigabit wireless is the future of connectivity. It presents both opportunity and threat. There is a threat if the incumbent uses its scale and go to market capabilities to try to recreate a monopoly. However, there\u2019s a greater opportunity and place for all as agile altnets continue to accelerate full fibre rollout as copper switches off.<\/p>\n

There\u2019s also strong emerging evidence and experience from elsewhere in Europe that we must consider at an early stage. For example, recognising that PSTN switch off to full IP Telephony is different to a copper switch off; also, that full copper switch off should be to the home, not just to the exchange\/cabinet.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

We’d just like to thank Daren for taking the time out to answer our questions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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