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Abandoned mast

Zathan

Pro Member
Saw this MBNL site as I was on a walk today, appears to not be broadcasting so I wonder if it has been abandoned?
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Bubblesthefish6

ULTIMATE Member
Is it on cellmapper? It looks like one of the modded ones for B32. Also, the sticker on the cab looks decently new
 

Zathan

Pro Member
Is it on cellmapper? It looks like one of the modded ones for B32. Also, the sticker on the cab looks decently new
It is, I placed it there ages ago on a walk, I knew there was a mast there and cellmapper detected a band 3 mast nearby so I assumed this was it. but I could not get a signal from it even when standing right next to it.
 

Seani

Top Member
What? And also, i use 3 not EE, and a nearby band 3 site is/was detected a few months ago, and i know of no other mast locations in the area.
That EE only MBNL site has been dead over 6 years, that’s as far back as the data goes, probably 7 years or more it’s been dodo. You can see the state of the top of it.

Three obviously didn’t want to pay half the running costs ongoing.

Perhaps it was built as a EE/Siemens test unit?. A lot of Siemens products now run on M2M sims (traffic/lights etc) so it’s a high possibility EE having superior 4G 800MHz or it’s newer high speed bands/VoLTE (live camera/Commercial Driver Emergency Call Base) maybe being tested at the time it was built whilst 4G/Volte/4G live camera was in its infancy.

SIEMENS Traffic Management Systems have M2M GSM access, camera & solar power back up to work in the scenario that there is a power cut to feed back to the Local Authority/Police camera hub can see the situation.

Perhaps EE were the GSM test partner?

In 2012 Nokia-Siemens started a EE partnership publicly saying “vending machines”, it would have went much further than that, but you don’t let the competition know everything do you.

Siemens I know where testing bus tracking via M2M and EE build up a few sites there.
 

Seani

Top Member
Vending: https://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/New...-up-to-offer-smart-vending-machine-technology


Nokia-Siemens also developed the EE Signal Box


NS was still struggling before 2010 https://www.eeworldonline.com/nokia-siemens-to-cut-17000-jobs/

After the Nokia buy out of Siemens in 2013 things changed, maybe it was never activated? EE built 2011/12 ? never went live? . But Nokia offloaded Nokia Mobile to Microsoft after Siemens was bought out.

NokiaEE partnership remained after BT bought EE in 2016, the last year has brought that partnership closer, 2020 was bumper Nokia EE year, HUAWEI 5G replacement and 4G to air contracts.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.p...orlds-first-4g-lte-air-to-ground-network.html


Siemens done a lot of the legwork for M2M with EE and Orange/T-Mobile roaming partnerships esp for traffic systems, then Nokia lost that EU data sales footprint when EE went to BT.

Anyway I’ll bet it’s not the only site around Siemens that’s not live, building developments have probably pulled some of them test bed EE BST sites down now, maybe they weren’t ever live either.
 

Bubblesthefish6

ULTIMATE Member
That EE only MBNL site has been dead over 6 years, that’s as far back as the data goes, probably 7 years or more it’s been dodo. You can see the state of the top of it.

Three obviously didn’t want to pay half the running costs ongoing.

Perhaps it was built as a EE/Siemens test unit?. A lot of Siemens products now run on M2M sims (traffic/lights etc) so it’s a high possibility EE having superior 4G 800MHz or it’s newer high speed bands/VoLTE (live camera/Commercial Driver Emergency Call Base) maybe being tested at the time it was built whilst 4G/Volte/4G live camera was in its infancy.

SIEMENS Traffic Management Systems have M2M GSM access, camera & solar power back up to work in the scenario that there is a power cut to feed back to the Local Authority/Police camera hub can see the situation.

Perhaps EE were the GSM test partner?

In 2012 Nokia-Siemens started a EE partnership publicly saying “vending machines”, it would have went much further than that, but you don’t let the competition know everything do you.

Siemens I know where testing bus tracking via M2M and EE build up a few sites there.
That's not EE only wtf are you on do you have your glasses on or your contacts in, the sticker says H3G and EE limited MBNL.
 

Seani

Top Member
That's not EE only wtf are you on do you have your glasses on or your contacts in, the sticker says H3G and EE limited MBNL.
Well MBNL built sites for both or solo, as per the original T-Mobile/3G Hutchison agreement regardless back then they were all labelled MBNL, it’s a standard sticker of that time from MBNL.

A lot changed when BT become a monopoly backhaul pipe provider to MBNL sites owning EE, conflict of interest.

Now CK Hutchison is building outwith MBNL direct with CityFibre.

Don’t be so rude, I can’t help it if you are assuming things.

The phone number printed on that standard MBNL sticker was very likely circa pre BT/EE MBNL changes and it was the MBNL Emergency number back then, that site has been dead from 2014 as per Data Protection act 6 years record keeping requirement. It probably never lived given the sudden Siemens buyout by Nokia.
 

Zathan

Pro Member
That's not EE only wtf are you on do you have your glasses on or your contacts in, the sticker says H3G and EE limited MBNL.Ce
Maybe VF should buy it, seen as their network is going to be dead soon here in the UK
Vodafone have a 4G mast up the road from it :p

Well MBNL built sites for both or solo, as per the original T-Mobile/3G Hutchison agreement regardless back then they were all labelled MBNL, it’s a standard sticker of that time from MBNL.

A lot changed when BT become a monopoly backhaul pipe provider to MBNL sites owning EE, conflict of interest.

Now CK Hutchison is building outwith MBNL direct with CityFibre.

Don’t be so rude, I can’t help it if you are assuming things.

The phone number printed on that standard MBNL sticker was very likely circa pre BT/EE MBNL changes and it was the MBNL Emergency number back then, that site has been dead from 2014 as per Data Protection act 6 years record keeping requirement. It probably never lived given the sudden Siemens buyout by Nokia.
a 3 4G mast is shown on cellmapper, very closeby thinking this was it i moved it to this location, and i dont know of any other masts in this area that are unaccounted for
 

Zathan

Pro Member
Is it on cellmapper? It looks like one of the modded ones for B32. Also, the sticker on the cab looks decently new
Looking at google streetview, your right about that sticker, its new and has not been on the cab that long, maybe it is transmitting, but i couldnt connect to it today., the same pole and cab have been untouched since 2010 or so as far as i can see.
 

Bubblesthefish6

ULTIMATE Member
Don’t be so rude, I can’t help it if you are assuming things.
Don't spread false info



Respect is something to be earned
 

GavinAshford

ULTIMATE Member

The site in question "10635"
I don't believe that 10635 site is located correctly - the cell polygons calculated by cellmapper don't tally up for that location.

The photo of the monopole in the opening post is of a legacy EE site and feels most likely to be turned off now given the closeby site, to the north west, covers that area.

Possibly Three have recently requested a site inspection at that old EE location with a view for swapping it to a new 5G enabled pole; which could explain the newish MBNL label being added.
 

Bubblesthefish6

ULTIMATE Member
I don't believe that 10635 site is located correctly - the cell polygons calculated by cellmapper don't tally up for that location.

The photo of the monopole in the opening post is of a legacy EE site and feels most likely to be turned off now given the closeby to the north west covers that area.

Possibly Three have recently requested a site inspection at that old EE location with a view for swapping it to a new 5G enabled pole; which could explain the newish MBNL label being added.
Sounds pretty plausible
 

Bubblesthefish6

ULTIMATE Member
I rang the phone number for sh*ts and giggles. It connects to Ericcson, appears to be for 'site access'. Maybe to shut it down when there's engineers there? Not a clue lol
 

Seani

Top Member
Looking at google streetview, your right about that sticker, its new and has not been on the cab that long, maybe it is transmitting, but i couldnt connect to it today., the same pole and cab have been untouched since 2010 or so as far as i can see.
That's not EE only wtf are you on do you have your glasses on or your contacts in, the sticker says H3G and EE limited MBNL
Don't spread false info



Respect is something to be earned

Its recorded in 2014 as a EE only (MBNL managed) site by the now disbanded Mobile Operators Association.

Respect the data, it came from the source to a co-owned Association.

Away argue with EE/MBNL about the facts they reported.

info@mbnl.co.uk
0118 9035580

BT Consumer brands Chief Exec
marc.allera@ee.co.uk
01707 315000
 
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