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Adding up to 400 meters to FTTC connection?

itsjamielike

Regular Member
Hello,


So strange story here, I currently have two lines into my property (connected to a load balancing router), and 300 meters in direct line of sight is a family member who is on a different exchange and unable to get fibre at their address. We are currently taking in their internet connection and it is sent over a Point to Point Wifi link, speed isn’t too bad, get around 30/35 over there but not amazing. The connection can be flaky sometimes but they are wanting to consider sending over the broadband via a wire across the field. (We would be digging and running the wire underground).



I am aware that ethernet is going to be out of the question as we will be looking at 350 meters as an overestimate for ethernet. They are considering adding this to their phone line and extending this over the phone line (as they want their landline over there as well). We are already about 0.6 miles from the cabinet and I feel like this addition will just kill the connection to next to nothing. Does anyone have any experience with this very obscure request?



This is the current line stats,

Data rate:

5.00 Mbps / 40.00 Mbps

Maximum data rate:

6420 / 48752

Noise margin:

8.9 dB / 9.7 dB

Line attenuation:

23.3 dB / 37.4 dB

Signal attenuation:

23.3 dB / 37.4 dB

VLAN id:

101

Modulation:

G_993_2_ANNEX_B





This is their idea, having a previous life in tech, I think this is out of the question and my initial plan is to keep the wireless link over to their house, and then organising a call divert to their mobile to keep the landline number on the incoming. (Decent 2G at the house but poor 4G). Or at worst, run the phone line as an extension for calls only.
 
You’d probably experience slower speeds and connection quality issues extending FTTC that way.

It would be much easier to buy two fibre switches and run a fibre cable between the two points and there’d be basically zero slow down. Fibre cable is quite strong also, contrary to popular belief.
 
What are you using for the p2p wireless? 300m isn't far at all. We use two Ubiquiti LBE-5AC-GEN2s over 2.4km with imperfect line of sight and can easily maintain 250mb/s with <1ms additional latency and not flaky either. You would be able to get double this as long as there isn't anything in the way.
 
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The first issue is how much you want to invest and what the prospects are for the remote house to get FTTP. So I would do a little research if you haven't recently.

I don’t want to put a damper on it but most ISP terms and conditions may not allow the serving of another premise with broadband. Your current counter argument would be that they cannot provide the service and of course its unlikely they would find out. But it should be considered if investing a lot.

If you are considering direct burying cable then it really needs to be armoured which probably means about £600+ for pre-terminated Fibre and around £80 for two media convertors. Base fibre is cheaper but then you need to consider how you will make the one-off termination.

Ethernet and telephone cable will be cheaper but any technical solution would be very limited for the cost. Longer term you may find their house gets FTTP and then any solution could be reversed to your house.

I certainly would not extend the FTTC, I would just look at getting a better LAN connection. A fibre connection would be the best but it is a lot of investment.

You do not state what kit you are using for the WIFI. There is now 60GHz PTP devices like Ubiquiti GBE-LR airMAX (£400 a pair) so it very much depends on how much you want to invest. As you are restricted to two balanced FTTC services then there should be some effective PTP WIFI kit that would provide a better link at a moderate cost. I am sure there are solutions in use by forum members.

The recommended Ubiquiti LBE-5AC-Gen2 LiteBeam Outdoor 5GHz recommended above by clayface looks a good contender (£120 kit)

To resolve the landline then I suggest VoIP but ensure all relevant kit is protected by UPS.
 
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