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ADSL as satellite uplink?

Over the summer I have set up a Satellite Broadband connection (Opensky package, Internet Connection Sharing to my local network). I am on satellite because BT have been stolidly telling me that I cannot get ADSL where I live for 2 years.

The restrictions have now been removed, and as a result I now have a good 512Mbps ADSL connection.

However I have still have the satellite setup for at least 12 months (this is RABBIT funded), which at some times is still faster. My question is how I can configure my network to use ADSL as the uplink for the satellite service.

The ADSL connection is set up via an ADSL router with a single fixed IP address. This requires a fixed IP address and to have all the PCs set to retrieve their IP address from a DHCP controller.

The satellite connection uses a satellite (Technisat) modem on a dedicated computer. This also requires a fixed IP address and to have all the PCs set to retrieve their IP address from a DHCP controller.

To me, the nub of the problem appears to be that there will be 2 competing devices trying to act as the DHCP controller on the network.

I have had the satellite setup working correctly using a dialup connection for the uplink, subject only to dropped connections on the dialup and the need to re-login to the satellite service to resume downloads.

I have about 4 PCs connected.

Any comments would be welcome.

Thanks

Julian
 
We have some member who work for a satellite company who might be able to answer your question I will see if I can get a message to them next time they are online to look here.
 
I haven't had satellite for a few months now, so apologies if this does not work. The Technisat card should have an IP of 192.168.238.238 - change this to an address in your DHCP range, and exclude it from the DHCP server. On the PC with the Technisat card in, search for recv.ini, and change the incomning IP address to the new IP address. You will probably also need to go into the Technisat DVB setup application, and change the IP address on the transponder set-up page.

Leave all your client machines using the ADSL router (or whatever your default gateway is), and then set the client machines to use the OpenSky proxy as and when required. This should work fine, but it is hard to say without seeing your network config.

Neil
 
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We are investigating a solution for this as several other customers also expressed the need to use ADSL as an uplink.

In fact we are investing money into researching a solution to bond the 2 connections together (Sat & ADSL) to create a faster download speed for those not able to get better than 512k. We would also appreciate any advice from the techies who float around these forums and will take all advice on board. :)
 
Without having any of the equipment anymore and not using the specific system you used, i would have to hazard a guess. And that would be a a connection client that creates a vpn like the dialup software that instead of utilising the terrestrial backhaul for improving browsing speed it also uses it for speed as well. It would all have to appear from the same ip address ie the satellite hub to work on the net. that way the hub could then prioritise traffic down the adsl line and then overflow onto satellite.
 
I think the cost implementation to the satellite provider to convert the data return on a dial up using proxy as most & then mac & ip authentication would be difficult & may out way the costing of the network or this additional feature as dial up return is already inbuilt. satellite (one way) is a low margin profit like ADSL so to have a cost implication to set up multiple VPN or static IP blocks may out way the cost to profit side of things. No doubt i get some flack for saying that but it is a business after all. I know some companies offer 128K bonded ISDN for the return so 128 etc.
 
after just one day of research we have worked out a way to bond the satellite and ADSL connections for those too far from the exchange for greater than 512k, :) with Many thanks to Andy (you know who you are)

in fact at the begining of qouta month we had a whopping 3mbit coming through the download manager software, after that you are looking a 1.5mbit with a 512k ADSL and around 1meg from the satellite.

for obvious reasons we cannot give a full guide on how to do it here because of our competitors, but please e-mail support@micronetbroadband.com along with your username. So we can guide you how do it.

As a special offer to introduce this system to new customers currently using ADSL, we are offering free test accounts for 2 days (limited supply)

just contact us to find out more, or post any questions on here.
 
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lol nathans, don't worry he is an existing member and was apparently already doing it :eek:

it will still need research to make it perfect as it does not work on streaming video and several other applications, but it seems it is perfect on sheer download speed, which is what most people need it for.

many people can't get 1meg and even more can't get 2meg, so it is an ideal solution to boost download speeds as no alternative actually exists, unless you are in a wireless area, which many people aren't.
 
i thought you were on about return path speeds ? I could provide you with a cheap box to aggregate the download of ADSL & Satellite thats a very simple thing to do............Upload on ADSL now thats more of a challenge.
 
This is something I was looking into with micronet when i first signed up with them until I finally found adsl was permanently unavailable to me. Can I ask is this new solution the catch all multi-machine solution originally searched for or just a single machine stretched maybe with ICS. I certainly know there is an alternative to the F10 router that doesn't require a dialup connection present to receive its sat feed and turn it to ethernet. Then you can get combining routers for £99 that load balance 2 wan ethernet connections to their capacity. I never tested this but was told in essence that it was the intended function of all the components involved?
 
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:) Thanks for the input guys,

lol Fudskie, now improving the upload of ADSL with a oneway satellite connection is complicated :eek:

maybe we could draft in Bill Gates to give us hand lol,

on serious note though, I think alot of people want more download bandwidth that they are getting rather than upload bandwidth which is used much less.
 
There is a device that i consider low cost (others may not) that will give greater speeds on download & also upload with the right config in place. I have passed this info on to micronet. The cost of the device of course with mass purchase would be lower. I do not advise cheap cheap stuff as it never lasts & often is does not work properly. After all if you need the speed then this is mission critical & thus quality & reliability is more important.....
 
@julianduk

I've heard of this using ADSL or cable modem uplink working successfully with one-way Satellite. However, from what I recall, you will need a second network card in your PC. One network card would connect to the router and the other connected to the network. I'm sure there is probably a way to do this with only a single network card and leaving the Router acting as the NAT with DHCP, but the following info is the only way I have come across so far.


Reconfige the router

Once your Router has a single dedicated connection to the PC, you will need to configure your router to ‘Passive’ or ‘Bridge’ mode. What this will do is give your PC an external IP address and the Router simply acts as a bridge between the ISP and PC, much like a modem for a dial-up connection.

The second network card would connect to your network with another switch or hub, i.e. no other PC’s should directly connect to the ADSL Router.

Depending on whether you use VPN or Proxy based satellite, each has a different way to configure to work over the ADSL link as well as share out the connection.


VPN Satellite Connection

To share out a satellite connection, your computer’s network card connecting to the hub/switch with the other PC’s will need to be given the IP ‘192.168.0.1’ due to the restriction in Windows for file sharing.

Change the connection settings on your PC for the VPN to “Already connected” instead of “connect to this ISP or number”. For example, for satellite connection NetSystem, I go into the Network connections screen, right-click ‘SatADSL’, click properties and select “I am already connected to the Internet” on the General Tab. Then go to the ‘Advanced’ section of the VPN connection properties and select “Allow other network users to connect through this computer’s Internet connection”, choose the Network card connecting to the other PC’s from the drop-down list and click ‘Ok’. This will also automatically change the IP address of that card to 192.168.0.1 and put it in DHCP mode.


Proxy Satellite Connection

This is slightly more straight forward like sharing out a satellite connection using a dial-up connection. Go into your Network connections folder, right-click the network card connecting to the Router and click ‘Properties’. Go to the ‘Advanced’ Section, click ‘Allow other network users to connect through this computer’s Internet connection’ and click ‘Ok’. This will also cause the IP address of the other network card to change to 192.168.0.1 and put it into DHCP mode.


Finally step

Perform an “ipconfig /renew” from the command line of the other PC’s to get the new configuration. If your satellite connection is proxy based, then you will also need to put the satellite Proxy IP and port # in all the PC’s web browsers also.

Good luck ;)
 
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