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and the government proves themselves totally incompetent again!

I completely disagree with persoanl dfata being transfered from company to company and offshore people accessing personal data is the biggest risk of all...
 
Without data being transferred you couldn't have:

1) Internet shopping (card details sent drom your PC to shop, and from shop to clearing company / bank)

2) debit cards (much the same situation)

3) most financial credit products (in order to decide on your suitability for credit, credit reference agencies keep a huge amount of data on all of us, some of which is made available to banks etc for credit scoring

4) Even data transferred between 2 depts of the same government or a company that are based on 2 different sites has to be transferred somehow (preferably not by mail.....)

5) Technically, you bank statement is valuable personal data. Would you rather your bank didn't send (or transfer) that data to you? Or would you rather they did it as securely as possible (which would count out the Royal Mail)

This data can also be accessed by the police (and presumably the government)

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Do you really think information was shared about us before the Internet? How do you think it was transferred? Mail or courier, presumably, and you don't exactly need a lot of expert knowledge to get into them!

I'd prefer it if my details weren't passed from company to company, site to site, but sometimes it is necessary.

VPNs still use SSL, a VPN is still a type of network.. altho it does make things a little different but not impossible

sure it's not 100%, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternatives. To get into a decent VPN connection, you need quite a lot of expertise (you also need someone to specifically target the connection - you don't just find a VPN connection on the back of a lorry, like you can a CD / USB stick). To get into a government-lost CD all you need is a letter opener and a basic password cracker - something most people could probably download in 30 seconds flat.

Whether you agree with data being transferred or not is irrelevant - it happens, it is often necessary, and there isn't much any of us can do about it. However, when data is lost through negligence or incompetence, then those responsible should recieve criminal charges.
 
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If you buy online then you give the data that is eeded then you have given consent but if you sign upto an ISP the data should stay with the ISP and not be shared around with any thirdparty companies..
 
Yeah but this conversation was started about govt incompetence, not Phorm etc (on which we probably agree, by the way).
 
agreed but what have the government and ISPs have in common these days?

Both use offshore for different things which causes our data to be moved around more than normal.
There was even talk of moving more NHS tests offshore..
 
most likely to india.. you would be surprised how many spammers and hackers they have over there...

oh and lm sure some users and officials work from home, now lm sure the government are no different in the fact they will need an ISP to mediate a connection between their computer (ADSL or Cable) in order to access any VPN, akbray's comments about phorm got me contemplating if phorm were implemented wouldnt such data be passing through phorm servers on the way? granted we are talking about encrypted data here but its still being passed through servers which are built with the idea of profiling data which means a third party could have access to such data which would put ISPs at risk.

as for the whole issue of security.. if there was a specific section under government control for transfer of secure documents (not royal mail) it would be much safer.. however the issue at hand is mainly complacent ppl being handed things like disks and flash drives without proper procedures in place... l couldnt give a rats about the data itself what conserve me is that it wasnt encrypted regardless of how easy it is for someone who knows what they are doing to access such content.
 
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Using an adequately encrypted VPN connection allows you to safely send data over an untrustworthy network. One potential issue for businesses is that an employee might do company related research directly via his phormed internet connection, allowing his company's interests to be "profiled".
 
as for the whole issue of security.. if there was a specific section under government control for transfer of secure documents (not royal mail) it would be much safer.. however the issue at hand is mainly complacent ppl being handed things like disks and flash drives without proper procedures in place... l couldnt give a rats about the data itself what conserve me is that it wasnt encrypted regardless of how easy it is for someone who knows what they are doing to access such content.

It might help if the CD buring software and mass-storage drivers installed on government machines was designed to only write encrypted data to CD's and USB sticks, then the worse an ill-trained employee could do would be to encrypt the data with the wrong key so the intended recipient wouldn't be able to read it.

Of course you'd still have the issue of burglars breaking in and nicking the PCs - perhaps we should go back to processing our data on central mainframes behind secured and alarmed doors with skilled operators responsible for dispatching sensitive data on bulky (and therefore slightly more difficult to misplace) tapes .:)
 
now if some peeps could share that on a site like youtubr along with some other links edited into it supporting the claims it might get more publicity... or at least someone well known in the sense of news makers and or well known public figure to comment on it... if they arnt going to broadcast it on TV it sure as hell needs broadcasting into the public eye somehow.
 
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that depends on whos posting, up til recently everything was ok then phorm came along and we have had some ass from the same office building making phorm look even more stupid.
 
AGAIN!!!!


Data on 5,000 prison staff lost
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7602402.stm

l can kinda understand lil thumb drives getting lost, maybe even disks.. but a hard drive!! unless it was external they disappear along with the computer unless some techy came along and removed it...
 
... three days later and yet another loss of data, we are seeing a worrying trend here do the government actually plan to keep our details secure? hell do they respect our privacy? l doubt they care about either tbh with the constant lack of caring about the issue and losses on a weekly basis.

Troops' manoeuvres left in club
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7605923.stm
 
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It is more they are totally incompetant at everything including the data protection.
 
actually lm trying to forget that fact because its depressing me to think that eventually they will be trying to run every part of my life even profiling my toilet breaks..
 
actually lm trying to forget that fact because its depressing me to think that eventually they will be trying to run every part of my life even profiling my toilet breaks..

they will not bwe in power long enough to do that
 
they might not be, but lm sure the next ppl in power will continue where they left off... no point leaving the next elections to chance..
 
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