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Antenna for Three 5G Hub?

Yeah that's ridiculous. Try placing the router to the edge of the window, behind the PVC frame. (Assuming you've got pvc windows)

Glass blocks RF quite well, PVC not so much.

What are your current signal stats?

Yes PVC windows, I'll get the stats but it was no 5G and only 1 or 2 bars of 4G, so definitely need an antenna outside as its the same in the loft as well.

I can't actually find that many 4×4 MiMo 4G/5G Directional Antenna's?

 
I haven't used any yet, but found the follow ones which I'm looking into. First two have good gain (8-11db) over the n78 band.

Poynting XPOL-24
2 x Iskra P-60 LPDA antennas
2 x BlueSpot 4G/5G antennas
 
I haven't used any yet, but found the follow ones which I'm looking into. First two have good gain (8-11db) over the n78 band.

Poynting XPOL-24
2 x Iskra P-60 LPDA antennas
2 x BlueSpot 4G/5G antennas

So directional seem even more expensive than omi and it's possible as I don't have Los it might not be any better or potentially worse?
 
I got this one... is it ok?
I'm not a fan of Puk or Rooftop Dome Antennas as a starter but I had a quick look at the Specs, first off, I would question the quoted 5db Gain of the Antenna, and secondly noticed there using the down leads with RG58 Coax Cable, or put it another way, anyone considering using RG58 Coax on any Cellular Application let alone the 4/5G Ghz Frequencies needs to be taken out the back and Shot.
 
I'm not a fan of Puk or Rooftop Dome Antennas as a starter but I had a quick look at the Specs, first off, I would question the quoted 5db Gain of the Antenna, and secondly noticed there using the down leads with RG58 Coax Cable, or put it another way, anyone considering using RG58 Coax on any Cellular Application let alone the 4/5G Ghz Frequencies needs to be taken out the back and Shot.

I'm planning to return it. For interest why are you not a fan of this type?

What is good coax on an antenna?

Is this one better in terms of spec

Thanks
 
Hi, I have the Three 5G Hub (ZYXEL NR5103E) with the 4 external antenna ports on the back direct from Three.

I'm about 1m / 1.84km from the mast. I can pick up 5G with it on the window sill with the window open (and get over 100mbit download) but its rubbish with window closed so just need an external antenna.

I was thinking of going for a Bluespot antenna from Amazon but didn't know whether to go for the 4G/5G version or 5G only. Someone on there said the firmware is locked down by Three?

I've also read in the UK you need 4G to get 5G or something, not sure what that means and if that means I need to get an antenna that does 4G and 5G anyway?

What do you guys use if you have the stock Three 5G hub?

Please help!

Thanks
Try upside down the 5G hub by the windows. Getting much better upload 34 to 35 Meg when Hub is turning upside down - I know it weirdo but it work! Happy with that! Be careful with 4 x external antenna as it not strong enough as the hub antenna one. My 5G mast are miles away from Doseley mast. As I am on edge cell - not great! But 260/35 are better than my FTTC 80/20. lol the loft are much better for download but very poor upload. Loft is 350 to 450 Meg down but upload are pant between 7 and 15Meg.

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Try upside down the 5G hub by the windows. Getting much better upload 34 to 35 Meg when Hub is turning upside down - I know it weirdo but it work! Happy with that! Be careful with 4 x external antenna as it not strong enough as the hub antenna one. My 5G mast are miles away from Doseley mast. As I am on edge cell - not great! But 260/35 are better than my FTTC 80/20. lol the loft are much better for download but very poor upload. Loft is 350 to 450 Meg down but upload are pant between 7 and 15Meg.

View attachment 5832

Thanks I'll try it but 4G is even poor on the window sill with the window closed maybe because my windows have those metal strips in the glass?

External antennas are not as good as the internal ones?
 
Thanks I'll try it but 4G is even poor on the window sill with the window closed maybe because my windows have those metal strips in the glass?

External antennas are not as good as the internal ones?
Is it better with the windows open?
 
I'm planning to return it. For interest why are you not a fan of this type?

What is good coax on an antenna?

Is this one better in terms of spec

Thanks
The Dome or Puk Antennas are really designed for Roof Mounting or Hidden on top on Vechiles, Boats, Camper Vans etc, that require a low profile, they do work but are very restrictive in obtaining a decent and reliable Signal Quality, the base of these Devices is normally Ground Plane dependant or they have there own metal lower plate, once you get above around 500mhz you ideally need an Antenna that will works in Free Space, especially above 1Ghz and well above any meltalic ground or metal obsticles.

Your be better of with a Panel Type Design, ideally with some Directional Properties, and get the Antenna as high as possible without any close by obstructions.

Coax Cable wise, the length is going to be your enemy as in most cases an Antenna Gain is going to be wiped out by the Cable Loss, hence get it High up as possible, keep the cable run as short as possible and don't curle up any excess, RG58 Coax Cable shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence with this topic, Times Microwave Type Coax is probably your best option or variants or simular spec alternatives.

For 2x2 or 4x4 MiMo Antennas, it's more of you pay for what you get, some recommendations would be Panorama, Poynting , Huawei, Quwireless to name a few, there are other not so we'll known that are also good, just, please, stay away from cheap Tat Chinese Fake 4/5G Antennas on the likes of eBay and Amazon that quote to do wonderfully stuff.

Whilst it's not always feesable, I personally would always use 2 Lots of decent 2x2 Antennas and space them apart for an 4x4 application, that's not to say the "All in One" decent 4x4 MiMo Antennas don't work it's just a case on your Area and the available MiMo Quality from the Mast(s) (and possible Reflective Signals) that are avaible in your Location, and this can sometimes be a lot of trail and error I'm afraid in order to get the best Mimo Speeds
 
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I've been watching this thread with interest and wondered whether it would be worth investing in an antenna.

I did notice with the NR5103E on the left side of the windowsill that line of sight was actually blocked by a big conifer tree, but I was still getting the below.
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Moving to the right hand side of the windowsill alleviates this so that I can see some of the mast (but not all of it) and I now get the below.
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An antenna would grant full visibility of the mast (by virtue of being slightly further to the right on the roof outside), but would the effort of installing one net much improvement?
 
I've been watching this thread with interest and wondered whether it would be worth investing in an antenna.

I did notice with the NR5103E on the left side of the windowsill that line of sight was actually blocked by a big conifer tree, but I was still getting the below.
1679336873006-png.5660


Moving to the right hand side of the windowsill alleviates this so that I can see some of the mast (but not all of it) and I now get the below.
View attachment 5843

An antenna would grant full visibility of the mast (by virtue of being slightly further to the right on the roof outside), but would the effort of installing one net much improvement?
Based on these good results, not worth the trouble of getting an antenna except for amusement or to join in the speculations involving antennas.

I certainly wouldn't want to risk drilling walls if there's no requirement. I would speculate there's little performance left on the table to be obtained.
 
I've been watching this thread with interest and wondered whether it would be worth investing in an antenna.

I did notice with the NR5103E on the left side of the windowsill that line of sight was actually blocked by a big conifer tree, but I was still getting the below.
1679336873006-png.5660


Moving to the right hand side of the windowsill alleviates this so that I can see some of the mast (but not all of it) and I now get the below.
View attachment 5843

An antenna would grant full visibility of the mast (by virtue of being slightly further to the right on the roof outside), but would the effort of installing one net much improvement?
You can ask the council to cut the big conifer tree but it likely they rejected it because of public might want the tree there for oxygen.
 
Based on these good results, not worth the trouble of getting an antenna except for amusement or to join in the speculations involving antennas.
@mikeliuk, Really?, your telling the OP not to bother because it's just an amusement?, that's not good advise in my book, I would always encourage other Members to experiment and possibly improve there 4/5G Experiences where ever possible, and share there experience, after all that's what these type of Forums encourage, try it, test it, and share your experiences.

Also as for, "join in the speculations involving antennas" what's that supposed to mean?, there are no speculations involved where Members post up their own experiences or Antenna detailed advice given. Most Members post up there learnt experienceis or have a professional understanding on how the LTE/5G Antennas perform and more to the point perform under the right environments.

As for Long Term Evolution (LTE and 5G, 3GPP) forward development, this was always based on Factuarly Experience and forward development, I can assure you as a Member it was never based on Speculations or Amusement .
 
@mikeliuk, Really?, your telling the OP not to bother because it's just an amusement?, that's not good advise in my book, I would always encourage other Members to experiment and possibly improve there 4/5G Experiences where ever possible, and share there experience, after all that's what these type of Forums encourage, try it, test it, and share your experiences.

Also as for, "join in the speculations involving antennas" what's that supposed to mean?, there are no speculations involved where Members post up their own experiences or Antenna detailed advice given. Most Members post up there learnt experienceis or have a professional understanding on how the LTE/5G Antennas perform and more to the point perform under the right environments.

As for Long Term Evolution (LTE and 5G, 3GPP) forward development, this was always based on Factuarly Experience and forward development, I can assure you as a Member it was never based on Speculations or Amusement .
Officially, I would start with considering the requirements. If the end user requires more than the current performance it's worth putting in the additional time, money, and effort; and to pay the opportunity cost of things such as time away from friends and family.

Going beyond the requirements, I would suggest be done as a hobby or personal/professional development.

To the extent a personal opinion was solicited, my earlier above personal opinion stands but should not detract from alternative or contradictory opinions which may be more valid.

The comments regarding speculations and amusement were not directed at yourself and I apologise if anything in the above incorrectly and wrongly suggested that was the case.

Just to hedge the experiment, I suspect the performance left on the table is less than a factor of two but suggest even if this outlier speculated improvement were to be obtained, it would not be worth the risk of drilling walls, expense, or potential risk of falls and accidents.

I guess on the other side of things, I respect anyone who offers here the opinion, based on the currently known information (which currently omits the signal parameters, nature of the property and character of the neighbourhood), that an antenna should be added by the end-user in this case (gareth_s). As of the current time, I see no such opinion expressed above.

Quick mention that in the above I was assuming it was noticed I was replying to a specific comment (a subthread) and was not replying to the OP of this main thread. I.e no, not telling to the OP (sizmax).
 
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I've been watching this thread with interest and wondered whether it would be worth investing in an antenna.

I did notice with the NR5103E on the left side of the windowsill that line of sight was actually blocked by a big conifer tree, but I was still getting the below.
1679336873006-png.5660


Moving to the right hand side of the windowsill alleviates this so that I can see some of the mast (but not all of it) and I now get the below.
View attachment 5843

An antenna would grant full visibility of the mast (by virtue of being slightly further to the right on the roof outside), but would the effort of installing one net much improvement?
I'd be VERY happy with those speeds especially the bottom one!
 
The Dome or Puk Antennas are really designed for Roof Mounting or Hidden on top on Vechiles, Boats, Camper Vans etc, that require a low profile, they do work but are very restrictive in obtaining a decent and reliable Signal Quality, the base of these Devices is normally Ground Plane dependant or they have there own metal lower plate, once you get above around 500mhz you ideally need an Antenna that will works in Free Space, especially above 1Ghz and well above any meltalic ground or metal obsticles.

Your be better of with a Panel Type Design, ideally with some Directional Properties, and get the Antenna as high as possible without any close by obstructions.

Coax Cable wise, the length is going to be your enemy as in most cases an Antenna Gain is going to be wiped out by the Cable Loss, hence get it High up as possible, keep the cable run as short as possible and don't curle up any excess, RG58 Coax Cable shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence with this topic, Times Microwave Type Coax is probably your best option or variants or simular spec alternatives.

For 2x2 or 4x4 MiMo Antennas, it's more of you pay for what you get, some recommendations would be Panorama, Poynting , Huawei, Quwireless to name a few, there are other not so we'll known that are also good, just, please, stay away from cheap Tat Chinese Fake 4/5G Antennas on the likes of eBay and Amazon that quote to do wonderfully stuff.

Whilst it's not always feesable, I personally would always use 2 Lots of decent 2x2 Antennas and space them apart for an 4x4 application, that's not to say the "All in One" decent 4x4 MiMo Antennas don't work it's just a case on your Area and the available MiMo Quality from the Mast(s) (and possible Reflective Signals) that are avaible in your Location, and this can sometimes be a lot of trail and error I'm afraid in order to get the best Mimo Speeds

Thanks so is this one a good one to go for?

Cost of this one isn't too bad at all.

I can't justify two 2x2 antennas.

Sorry for silly question by why not curl up the cable? And what should I do with excess?
 
Putting 5G Hub outside behind the PVC windows upstair give me 650Meg down and 42Meg up. Not bad - will searching for better pole with 4 x 4 Directional Antenna.
 
Officially, I would start with considering the requirements. If the end user requires more than the current performance it's worth putting in the additional time, money, and effort; and to pay the opportunity cost of things such as time away from friends and family.

Going beyond the requirements, I would suggest be done as a hobby or personal/professional development.

To the extent a personal opinion was solicited, my earlier above personal opinion stands but should not detract from alternative or contradictory opinions which may be more valid.

The comments regarding speculations and amusement were not directed at yourself and I apologise if anything in the above incorrectly and wrongly suggested that was the case.

Just to hedge the experiment, I suspect the performance left on the table is less than a factor of two but suggest even if this outlier speculated improvement were to be obtained, it would not be worth the risk of drilling walls, expense, or potential risk of falls and accidents.

I guess on the other side of things, I respect anyone who offers here the opinion, based on the currently known information (which currently omits the signal parameters, nature of the property and character of the neighbourhood), that an antenna should be added by the end-user in this case (gareth_s). As of the current time, I see no such opinion expressed above.

Quick mention that in the above I was assuming it was noticed I was replying to a specific comment (a subthread) and was not replying to the OP of this main thread. I.e no, not telling to the OP (sizmax).
Apologies, the last thing I wanted to do was hijack someone else's thread. It just seemed like a suitable place to ask the question given knowledgeable people were contributing.

EssexBoy, you mention cable distance being a killer when using an antenna, what sort of distances are we talking about? Part of the reason for considering an antenna, apart from the possibility of improving the signal/speeds is to move the router to a more suitable location as the current setup to give the router line of sight from the windowsill is, for want of a better word, shambolic. I already have holes in the wall elsewhere in the room for a TV aerial that I could route extra cable through, but it would then have a fair few meters to travel to where I want to place the antenna.
 
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