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Anyone on cityfibre FTTP Vodafone/Zen/Talktalk/Idnet etc can i have some traceroutes please

jalzoo

Regular Member
Hi,

Anyone on cityfibre fttp such as vodafone/zen/talktalk/idnet or any other they work with can i get some traceroutes bbc for example. I would like to compare the differences between the different providers. My contract with vodafone is ending in a few months im hoping to go with idnet. Vodafone speeds are ok but the support just isnt there. I would be especially interested to hear your experience if you are currently on idnet through cityfiber.

Thank you!
 
Some traceroutes from Cityfibre using Talktalk in Inverness:
Tracing route to uk.www.bbc.co.uk.pri.bbc.co.uk [212.58.233.251]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 3 ms 2 ms 192.168.1.1
2 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms ae50-ner001.msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.33]
3 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms ae50-scr001-msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.32]
4 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms ae63-scr102.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.128]
5 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms host-78-144-3-47.as13285.net [78.144.3.47]
6 22 ms 21 ms 23 ms 132.185.248.51
7 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms ae11.cr02.thdow.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.166]
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms ae2.er01.lbh.bbc.co.uk [132.185.249.7]
10 41 ms 29 ms 44 ms 132.185.252.126
11 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms 212.58.234.2
12 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms 212.58.233.251

Tracing route to dns.google [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms 192.168.1.1
2 14 ms 14 ms 20 ms ae50-ner001.msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.33]
3 27 ms 15 ms 14 ms ae50-scr001-msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.32]
4 24 ms 28 ms 19 ms ae63-scr102.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.128]
5 22 ms 21 ms 20 ms 74.125.51.110
6 20 ms 21 ms 20 ms 216.239.49.185
7 21 ms 20 ms 21 ms 142.251.52.149
8 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms dns.google [8.8.8.8]

Tracing route to e13678.dscb.akamaiedge.net [195.95.194.31]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms 7 ms 5 ms 192.168.1.1
2 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms ae50-ner001.msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.33]
3 19 ms 16 ms 15 ms ae50-scr001-msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.32]
4 15 ms 15 ms 17 ms host-78-144-5-91.as13285.net [78.144.5.91]
5 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms a195-95-194-31.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [195.95.194.31]

Tracing route to e6858.dscx.akamaiedge.net [2.17.150.59]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.1.1
2 14 ms 15 ms 15 ms ae50-ner001.msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.33]
3 18 ms 14 ms 15 ms ae50-scr001-msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.32]
4 22 ms 19 ms 19 ms ae62-scr101.loh.as13285.net [78.144.1.119]
5 20 ms 20 ms 21 ms host-78-144-4-59.as13285.net [78.144.4.59]
6 20 ms 20 ms 32 ms ae2.telecity-lon5.netarch.akamai.com [23.210.50.145]
7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms a2-17-150-59.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com [2.17.150.59]

Tracing route to ispreview.co.uk [217.160.0.152]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.1.1
2 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms ae50-ner001.msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.33]
3 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms ae50-scr001-msp.as13285.net [78.144.1.32]
4 22 ms 20 ms 19 ms ae63-scr102.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.128]
5 21 ms 20 ms 20 ms linx.bb-d.ba.slo.gb.oneandone.net [195.66.236.98]
6 34 ms 34 ms 33 ms ae-3.bb-b.thn.lon.gb.net.ionos.com [212.227.120.106]
7 35 ms 35 ms 35 ms ae-19.bb-b.fr7.fra.de.net.ionos.com [212.227.120.32]
8 35 ms 35 ms 35 ms ae-9.bb-b.bs.kae.de.net.ionos.com [212.227.120.168]
9 36 ms 36 ms 37 ms port-channel-3.gw-distd-sh-2.bap.rhr.de.oneandone.net [212.227.122.9]
10 36 ms 36 ms 36 ms 217-160-0-152.elastic-ssl.ui-r.com [217.160.0.152]
 
this is my traceroute with OPENREACH Cuckoo FTTP

C:\Users\Uzi>tracert 8.8.8.8

Tracing route to dns.google [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.100.1
2 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae50-ner002.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.3]
3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae50-scr102.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.2]
4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 74.125.51.110
5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 216.239.49.185
6 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 142.251.52.149
7 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms dns.google [8.8.8.8]

Trace complete.
Looks abit better then CityFibres
 
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this is my traceroute with OPENREACH Cuckoo FTTP

C:\Users\Uzi>tracert 8.8.8.8

Tracing route to dns.google [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.100.1
2 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae50-ner002.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.3]
3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae50-scr102.thw.as13285.net [78.144.1.2]
4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 74.125.51.110
5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 216.239.49.185
6 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 142.251.52.149
7 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms dns.google [8.8.8.8]

Trace complete.
Looks abit better then CityFibres

Very lucky to have pings like that!!, You must be in London.
 
Yes i am in London lol, easy to tell :)
 
I'm in Northampton only 60miles from London and my pings are triple what yours are on Cityfiber FTTP on Vodafone. I expected a little better but never mind 😔
 
I'm in Northampton only 60miles from London and my pings are triple what yours are on Cityfiber FTTP on Vodafone. I expected a little better but never mind 😔
yea its weird, i thought anyone on FTTP would get very low ping no matter what? what i guess it depends where they live really
 
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yea its weird, i thought anyone on FTTP would get very low ping no matter what? what i guess it depends where they live really
Irrespective of FTTP, if folks are pinging servers and speedtest targets which are dotted around the various datacentres in the Docklands or West London then it’s their proximity that determines ping times: physical distance and number of network hops.

If you’re in Scotland then no amount of FTTP will help get your ping below someone in central London.

Now if we flipped it, so we were testing to Scotland instead 🤣
 
CityFibre isnt building in London
I didn't say they were but the OP was asking about CityFibre and the traffic is going to be routed around London or at least a lot further south than here. So the longer trip time is nothing to do with the quality of the Cityfibre network.
 
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I didn't say they were but the OP was asking about CityFibre and the traffic is going to be routed around London or at least a lot further south than here. So the longer trip time is nothing to do with the quality of the Cityfibre network.
i see, thanks for explaining
 
Now if we flipped it, so we were testing to Scotland instead 🤣
I'm in Scotland at the moment and have three connections to test with: a mass-market Openreach FTTP ISP, a Cityfibre/Entanet leased line and an Openreach EAD based leased line.

To an HE router in Pulsant, Edinburgh, everything routes via London/Slough.

To the University of Edinburgh NTP server, everything except the Cityfibre line seems to route via Manchester.

To Edinburgh Council via Fluency/Commsworld - all routes through London.

The end result is that in many cases a ping from Scotland to Scotland is around 24ms, whereas from London to Scotland it's around 12. Even the Manchester hand-off to JANET only gets Scotland-Scotland down to 11.
 
I'm in Scotland at the moment and have three connections to test with: a mass-market Openreach FTTP ISP, a Cityfibre/Entanet leased line and an Openreach EAD based leased line.

To an HE router in Pulsant, Edinburgh, everything routes via London/Slough.

To the University of Edinburgh NTP server, everything except the Cityfibre line seems to route via Manchester.

To Edinburgh Council via Fluency/Commsworld - all routes through London.

The end result is that in many cases a ping from Scotland to Scotland is around 24ms, whereas from London to Scotland it's around 12. Even the Manchester hand-off to JANET only gets Scotland-Scotland down to 11.
Yeah that sucks. A lot.
 
I'm in Scotland at the moment and have three connections to test with: a mass-market Openreach FTTP ISP, a Cityfibre/Entanet leased line and an Openreach EAD based leased line.

To an HE router in Pulsant, Edinburgh, everything routes via London/Slough.

To the University of Edinburgh NTP server, everything except the Cityfibre line seems to route via Manchester.

To Edinburgh Council via Fluency/Commsworld - all routes through London.

The end result is that in many cases a ping from Scotland to Scotland is around 24ms, whereas from London to Scotland it's around 12. Even the Manchester hand-off to JANET only gets Scotland-Scotland down to 11.
I'm more curious for further distances. Let's say to the US cross through the Atlantic, does your connection route directly via Manchester or Ireland Island, or still going via Slough/London?
 
As you can see, all roads in the UK lead to London...


stuff.mit.edu
Cityfibre/Entanet: London, then Level3 transatlantic to Boston.
Business ISP EAD: as above.
Vodafone FTTP: London, then Cogent transatlantic to Boston.

ssa.gov
Cityfibre: London-NYC via Telia (or whatever they're called now)
EAD: as above
Vodafone FTTP: Manchester-London-NYC via C&W

ntp-01.caltech.edu
Cityfibre: London, then HE all the way to California.
EAD: as above
Vodafone FTTP: Manchester-London-NYC via C&W, then NTT to California.

dns1.bestel.com.mx
Cityfibre: London, Zayo to Texas then Bestel
EAD: very similar to above - an AboveNet hop in London first
Vodafone FTTP: Manchester-London via C&W, then Cogent to Texas then Bestel.
 
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I'm more curious for further distances. Let's say to the US cross through the Atlantic, does your connection route directly via Manchester or Ireland Island, or still going via Slough/London?
The trans continental link latency component absolutely dwarfs any in country difference in any event.
 
As you can see, all roads in the UK lead to London...


stuff.mit.edu
Cityfibre/Entanet: London, then Level3 transatlantic to Boston.
Business ISP EAD: as above.
Vodafone FTTP: London, then Cogent transatlantic to Boston.

ssa.gov
Cityfibre: London-NYC via Telia (or whatever they're called now)
EAD: as above
Vodafone FTTP: Manchester-London-NYC via C&W

ntp-01.caltech.edu
Cityfibre: London, then HE all the way to California.
EAD: as above
Vodafone FTTP: Manchester-London-NYC via C&W, then NTT to California.

dns1.bestel.com.mx
Cityfibre: London, Zayo to Texas then Bestel
EAD: very similar to above - an AboveNet hop in London first
Vodafone FTTP: Manchester-London via C&W, then Cogent to Texas then Bestel.
Sadly all Transatlantic traffic still go via London, not diversified enough:(
 
Cityfibre - Vodafone FTTP 900Mbps.

Good experience, only issue being support. Which rarely had to contact, only for PPPoE information & Billing. Been with them 2 years, and recently extended for another 2years.
Won't be switching anytime soon, especially when I'm only paying £30/mo for 940Mbps.

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Cityfibre - Vodafone FTTP 900Mbps.

Good experience, only issue being support. Which rarely had to contact, only for PPPoE information & Billing. Been with them 2 years, and recently extended for another 2years.
Won't be switching anytime soon, especially when I'm only paying £30/mo for 940Mbps.

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OSvBeHm.png

That ping is sweet what location are you in?.
 
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