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Broadband communications through powerlines

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Legal framework governing the co-existence of powerline communications with radio communications and other devices and systems Practical experience with modern powerline communications in Europe and in the rest of the world have demonstrated the capability of powerline communications networks to coexist
with radio communication services. However, the further development of powerline communications remains hampered by specific concerns related to the compatibility of
powerline communication networks with existing radio services notably in the bands from
1,6 MHz up to 30 MHz.


http://europa.eu.int/information_so...rline_communications/documents/cocom03_32.pdf
 
Web Buddy said:
However, the further development of powerline communications remains hampered by specific concerns related to the compatibility of
powerline communication networks with existing radio services notably in the bands from
1,6 MHz up to 30 MHz.
Quite, PLC/PLT doesn’t work well with other services. Never did never will.

The only fix is a "political solution". Play the rural broadband card.
 
give us BB we Want BB - don't care just give us BB !!!
 
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Simple solution - just use all the useless radio bandwidth consumed by BBC Radio 1 and use that for broadband. It's all rubbish on there anyway - in any case, I don't care - just give them broadband :)
 
Well contrary to world the anti PLC rent a crowd are saying PLC works & does not cause interference. There are now several trial sites operational in the UK and in spite of the continual claims of massive interference non has occured.

It must be remembered that PLC meets the current compliance requirements. It is under the legislation along with ADSL regard as a non intentional radiator. It is therefore required to take steps to stop causing interference if any occured. It can also be ordered to be closed down if it does not.

To date no complaints that have been attributable to PLC have occured. Complaints have been made but have either not been substantiated or have been caused by none PLC equipment. One complaint was actually found to be interference from a local radio ham.

So PLC has a clean bill of health to date. It is not causing interference.
 
Web Buddy said:
Well contrary to world the anti PLC rent a crowd are saying PLC works & does not cause interference. There are now several trial sites operational in the UK and in spite of the continual claims of massive interference non has occured.

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To date no complaints that have been attributable to PLC have occured. Complaints have been made but have either not been substantiated or have been caused by none PLC equipment. One complaint was actually found to be interference from a local radio ham.

So PLC has a clean bill of health to date. It is not causing interference.

And the BBC report that shows a massive problem?
Report is here;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp067.html

Extract from the report;
The degree of interference to reception varied somewhat with location, between "annoying," and a level sufficient to make the broadcast completely unintelligible. The latter was certainly the case just beyond the nearby premises where a repeater was known to be situated (item 15) but some other locations were almost as bad, although the reason why these were worse than others was not always immediately apparent. Some correlation was noted with the underground run of the main distributor cable. Curiously the location near to the sub station was not the worst although badly affected
 
Well the report itself said that it was not a Scientific paper & the scope of the tests was limited and not conclusive. In fact the interference was so low that at one premises they had to turn the lights off as they were causing interference & they could not detect the PLC signal. Not exactly massive interference.

Again given the type of property inthe area ie small terraced housee one would expect complaints of intereference if PLC was causing any , again zero complaints.


The BBC report itself states PLC is a very promising Broadband techniquie.
 
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Elmer said:
Simple solution - just use all the useless radio bandwidth consumed by BBC Radio 1 and use that for broadband. It's all rubbish on there anyway - in any case, I don't care - just give them broadband :)

What is up with Radio 1?

It isn't useless rubbish :rolleyes:
 
PCFreak defended Radio 1 against Elmer's slur:
It isn't useless rubbish
You'll have to forgive old Elmer, because he'll class anything that doesn't broadcast Vivaldi's The Four Seasons as rubbish.
Hold it, on second thoughts that may be 'Anything that does broadcast Vivaldi's The Four Seasons is rubbish'. ;)
 
You'll have to forgive old Elmer, because he'll class anything that doesn't broadcast Vivaldi's The Four Seasons as rubbish.

Elmer's 100% right. Radio 1 is rubbish. Stats now show that Radio 1 listeners are moving to Radio 2 is their 1000s! This includes all ages!

Personally, I am a Classic FM listener. Funnily enough they probably have more listeners than Radio 1 now. :)

I like the sound of BB via your mains power. Thanks for the information Web Buddy. I would love to know where you source all your info from.

Regards
Richard:)
 
paul45 said:
....You'll have to forgive old Elmer, because he'll class anything that doesn't broadcast Vivaldi's The Four Seasons as rubbish.

Hey, less of the old :rolleyes:

There's nothing wrong with Vivaldi's 4 Seasons, as long as it's not being played down a phone line whilst you are waiting to talk to a real person, even if they do happen to be in Calcutta, and speak better English than wot you do :)

Radio 1 has always been rubbish - it has been from the start. Ask anyone to name 5 recordings played in the previous hour, and they won't be able to tell you. It's brain-numbingly dull.

Classic FM is much better now they have fired that idiot Henry Kelly.
 
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Elmer let it slip he can remember the start of Radio 1
Radio 1 has always been rubbish - it has been from the start

What, you mean you can actually recall the old days of pre-Radio 1 ?
Good grief, you're even older than we thought.
Next you'll be telling us about listening to Two-Way Family Favourites with Jean Metcalfe and Cliff Michelmore playing songs for BFPO followed by an evening of tapping your feet to Sing Something Simple with the Cliff Adams Singers.
And I daren't even ask you if you enjoyed that chap with a bowler hat who'd come out on stage and yell down the microphone full blast ... Wakey Wa-a-a-key.

Hey, less of the old
I rest my case Ma-Lord
:)

Classic FM is much better
With you on that. It does tend to be less offensive upon one's ear-oles, doesn't it.
 
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rruwalton enthusiastically said:
I like the sound of BB via your mains power.
Nah, the Blues Brothers sound much better carried via a normal piece of speaker cable.
On the other hand, The Electric Light Orchestra should be ok chucked through a length of Flat Twin & Earth.
:)
 
paul45 said:
Elmer let it slip he can remember the start of Radio 1.....

The definition of when old age starts is always 5 years older than you are at that moment.

Do I remember the start of Radio 1 ? "Flowers in the Rain" ? It was all downhill from there !

I remember the start of Radio Caroline. Radio 1 wasn't that different, except that it was the BBC and all squeaky clean, when the pirate ships had a sort of character, like a big adventure. Everything was a bit more exciting in those days - a bit more anarchy. There was even talk of pirate TV to be broadcast from a plane circling offshore too. People who think there are too many rules and regulations now, should have lived in the 60's - it wasn't all "flower power" - the government was intractable on certain aspects, like who was allowed to use the radio spectrum (e.g. them, and no-one else).
 
I seem to recall there was National and Regional stations all owned by the BBC. The greatest of all was Droitwich on 200m LW, handy as a frequency standard.
 
Do you think he rembers these old mechanical acoustic record players with a big horn that you see in museums.
Amazing what you can learn. Did you know HMV = His Masters Voice


paul45 said:
Elmer let it slip he can remember the start of Radio 1


What, you mean you can actually recall the old days of pre-Radio 1 ?
Good grief, you're even older than we thought.
Next you'll be telling us about listening to Two-Way Family Favourites with Jean Metcalfe and Cliff Michelmore playing songs for BFPO followed by an evening of tapping your feet to Sing Something Simple with the Cliff Adams Singers.
And I daren't even ask you if you enjoyed that chap with a bowler hat who'd come out on stage and yell down the microphone full blast ... Wakey Wa-a-a-key.


I rest my case Ma-Lord
:)


With you on that. It does tend to be less offensive upon one's ear-oles, doesn't it.
 
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How about the West of England Home Service on a home made crystal set - magic! Boy, are we off topic or what?
 
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