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Kits

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Would seem something has gone missing within BT unless they have decided the only way to stop unhappy customers helping each other and complain about phorm has been unplug the server.

I have been visiting the forum for a while now and apart from them being slow members were helping others out but also a growing discontent with the upcoming phorm storm. The forums were fine earlier this afternoon yet tonight all youi get is:

Not Found
The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it.

Any other members getting the same?
 
Yes, exactly the same here, Kits - and has been for a good few hours now.

I expect they're using an old Spectrum as a server and the poor thing can't cope with the size that the forum has grown to with all the posts in the Weblies thread! :D ;)
 
Last time I looked it was just 2 or 3 individuals having an "informed" question and answer session re phorm. Same type of thing is seen on many forums.
Sample:
Q: "Why is Phorm bad do you think guys"?
A1: "That's a very good question Algernon. Please can someone tell us"?
A2: "Certianly good law abiding citizens. Can I direct you to phormisbad.com where you will find out all you need to know. It's been set up by someone who went to university so it must be true."
A3: "Thank you very much, I will look at that site and tell all my friends about it. Aren't BT bad people?"
Chorus "Yes"
 
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More curious is you seem happy to be stripped everytime you start to surf the WWW have your internet intercepted, by someone who for years broke rules to stalk your internet with a rootkit.

quote from another forum I visit:
I can't believe they would sacrifice such a powerful and valuable wide-ranging customer resource as that, when they know very well that the phorm/Webwise faeces will stick on them publicly anyway. Maybe they were getting worried that increasing numbers of BT customers were getting Webwise-wise through those forums, and, faced with the Intesticular Page, if it ever appears, would have doubts and click No Thanks.
There certainly was an increasingly significant quantity of intensely anti-BT sentiment expressed on many threads in several topic areas within the forums, and maybe they thought that this was the only way to get rid of it, rather than censor it piece by piece.
Whatever the reason - a desperate effort at censorship or a massive hardware/software failure - it doesn't look good for BT, who claim that Phorm/Webwise is fit for purpose in their hands. If they can't keep the hardware/software that runs the forums running smoothly, then how can they be trusted to maintain scrupulously and securely the Phorm-provided servers and software?
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The ant phorm is growing and only the nieve would belive that redirects can protect you on the WWW or BT managment with $$$$ over the eyes.
 
The hamster has finished his breakfast and is turning the BT wheel again.

I see that the internet copyright thread has been locked though - they're really doing their best to try and make sure that anyone who doen't read the Weblies thread doesn't twig what's going on, aren't they?
 
Yes well when they don't even tell shareholders of the trials and webwise what do you expect...
 
The hamster has finished his breakfast and is turning the BT wheel again.

I see that the internet copyright thread has been locked though - they're really doing their best to try and make sure that anyone who doen't read the Weblies thread doesn't twig what's going on, aren't they?


Forums are back up with thread closed on copyright law seems Bt didn't like having it pointed out they were dealing double standards we have to obey their copyright rules but they don't have to follow anyother websites copyright rules.

Not only has BT censored they have also banned a customer/member, yet looking at all of his posts they have always been polite, within the law and even helpful to many members, I cannot find one that is bannable so it can only be because he is so close to the truth about Phorm webwise that BT / moderators are in a panic.

Bt are also writing to ex employees threatening them that if BT cease to trade their pensions will drop by 3/4 as it will have to be sold to the insurance. This is what the new BT seem to do best go out of their way to scare members of the public tiscali customers first now ex employees who is next?.
 
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Well, as you said yourself in your reply over there, the best way to ensure they don't go out of business is to drop the Phorm/Webwise nonsense, isn't it?

I've no doubt that some Phorm stooge posing as a satisfied punter will pop in here to disagree, but in real life I've yet to meet one single person who thinks it's a good idea - some have already left BT, some are waiting to see what actually happens, saying that if/when it's implemented they will be asking for their MAC, some intend hanging on because of other products they have (like BT Vision) or are only part way through their contract and don't want the hassle of arguing their way out of it so will wait until their 12 months is up, but nobody is actually *happy* about it.
 
That is true now I heard a new member has been baqnmned yet i cannot see any posts that make banning jim'll fixit..

BT has also had some threads removed mainly the Innovation forum so BT took the forums down while they censored them to remove the other discussions that Webwise would infringe even though webwise had never been mentioned.
 
Unbelievable - I see that BT censorship has now extended to banning Robert Jones, probably the smartest regular poster on the forum. Back in March, in one of the now locked threads, when all the focus was on the BT broadband customer side of things and I stuck my nose in and mentioned the website owner aspect of things, it was he who really latched on to that, realised that *everybody* is potentially affected by what BT do, and has done a tremendous job (I don't know where he gets the energy from!) in keeping things going in a clear and logical way with sensible questions instead of just having a rant.

And BT's answer to the many questions he's put?

"Eff off Robert - you're too much of a pain in the butt, you know damned well that we don't really have any answers and it's getting embarrassing."

Mind you, I suppose that "unbelievable" is not a word that should be used in conjunction with BT these days, is it? Over about the last six months they have shown that they are capable of almost anything except communicating and being honest.
 
Interesting how this very forum's rules include the following:

Post topics and information in the most appropriate forum category and do not duplicate the same topic into additional forums.
Trolling is not allowed (someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response)
Respect the websites moderators and admins, if you feel any have acted out of tone then please 'Contact' the websites owner privately to discuss your concerns
Try to make constructive posts and topics.
Concerns that regard missing (deleted/vanished) topics should only be raised in private with the websites editor. Usually such things occur as part of routine maintenance, server problems or because somebody has posted material that breaches our rules.

Think that about covers all the reasons why the phorm spam has been deleted from BT's forum. Sadly no conspiracy theory.
 
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WEbwise has many fronts andf all deserve to be discussed seperately as in the copyright infringment. This is attached to phorm webwise but is a totally diofferent discussion and on here would be allowed to continue in its own right..

There are many threads through these forums that are linked but discussing different parts of the item we do not delete them remove them or lock them. If too close we merge them so information isnt lost.

What is causing the most problems is BT's apparent inability to answer questions about Phorm webwise they have to get Phorm to do that.

webwise.bt.com was supposed to be hosted on BT's network when customers joined this to find out more if they had already logged into bt.com they were redirected to a website in the USA outsaide the EU with BT's leaking cookies showing username postcode and password.
This server was at the time hosted at planet which is listed in the top 20 hosting companies for phishing websites.

Can you answer that?
How do you feel knowing your persoanl DATA was leaked to Phorm?
 
"How do you feel knowing your persoanl(sic) DATA was leaked to Phorm? "

Couldn't really care less.
All that twaddle on the BT forum is generated by the same dozen or so posters who infect various other forums with their self righteous pap.
Mind you that's twice as many as turned up to BT's AGM last month eh?
 
I wouldn't know how many turned up since I didn't go not everyone can afford to travel to London but then it isn't just 6 people signing the petition that has gone up by over 300 in the last day. Also if you didn't really care about your data being leaked why are you too affraid to be recognised by joining the forums instead of hiding behind unregistered

Submitted by Mark Antony Thompson – Deadline to sign up by: 04 March 2009 – Signatures: 16,537

Looking at el reg would seem the behavioral ad target NebuAd which is the Phorm-like behavioral ad targeter has split with its PR agency and laid off staff. This seems to be the impact of Congress putting the freeze on its stateside ISP partnerships.

This is the same method that phorm wish to use with BT customers already USA has kicked it out when will we get answers from BT about the legality of this and not more Phorm PR replies since the infromation is always the same but never the truth.

Then there is the Baroness Miller who has listened top both sides and made her own mind up about this phorm of interception. To make it easier this is Barroness Millers questions only
 
Whats the point in enabling non registered users to post as over half the time on here they get slagged off for not registering.... even by Moderators!

:(
 
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Because many people want to ask questions without registering.

If someone wants to defend phorm so much on here, why not create an account?

Or is it just coincidence that so many people from other countries actually want to defend phorm on a UK ISP discussion site?

Its blatently phorm trying to stir.
 
Old dude makes a very good point, lets put it to the test.. which country do most of the IPs originate in within this post with regards to unregistered users?
 
The silence from BT is perhaps an admission of guilt over allowing an untrustworthy company lose with customers data in 2006/7

Many thanks to dephormation pete for this information at the same time as BT steal;th trials now we know why Phorm didn't want BT staff whjo understood scripting on the inside..

http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t61549.html
 
It seems the Phorm stuff stirs a lot of paranoia, not that I am saying any of the stuff said is untrue. The forums could have just been down because of a problem, however the fact they banned someone was a bit silly - did they even give a reason?
I do however think we shouldn't de-value an unregistered users comments, no matter who it might be ;)
 
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