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BT Dirty Tricks Beware

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Do not know about any decrease, but I have just received a letter from BT saying
"On 1st July 2004, the monthly fee of your BT Together Option 1 with Home Highway will increase by £1 to £26 per month with Direct Debit."
This is certainly not a decrease.
 
chick
It may soften the blow of a £1 per month increase to know that whilst your standard cost increases by 4% (I wish my damn council tax and other essentials increased by only this amount – does anyone really believe that the true inflation rate is as low as the government want us to believe ?), the cost for off-peak calls decreased by 8.3%.

So depending upon your calling pattern, you could end up in pocket - or not !
 
paul45 said:
chick
It may soften the blow of a £1 per month increase to know that whilst your standard cost increases by 4% (I wish my damn council tax and other essentials increased by only this amount – does anyone really believe that the true inflation rate is as low as the government want us to believe ?), the cost for off-peak calls decreased by 8.3%.

So depending upon your calling pattern, you could end up in pocket - or not !
Paul, well I will not be making 200 calls a month, just to come out even.
 
chick said:
Paul, well I will not be making 200 calls a month, just to come out even.

For many people the BT increase works out at 10% plus on the line rental without the other increases.
 
chick wrote:
Paul, well I will not be making 200 calls a month, just to come out even.
LOL, shame you haven't two teenagers who could help you along the way towards 200 calls a month.:)

Unfortunately, it’s not that simple though.
Only if you already had an established pattern of 200 calls a month and continued with the same pattern would you have in effect saved the £1 a month increase.
However, even continuing with an average pattern of three calls per day would virtually half the increase to just 55p per month.

Web Buddy repeated:
For many people the BT increase works out at 10% plus on the line rental without the other increases.
No criticism intended, but in addition to basically repeating information I previously posted, you’re now simply just repeating yourself.
Perhaps you’d now care to comment upon the price decreases.

..... BT seem to have been very quiet about such as an increase of £3 a month for the poor old ISDN users.
According to chick, he’s been notified by BT of a £1 per month increase, so maybe your suspicions are more than a little unfounded.
 
I wasn't aware of this either. On checking BTs April 2004 Update it lists this and other price increases such as calling the speaking clock, from 10p to 20p. I must remember to read everything that comes with a Bill.
 
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paul45 said:
chick wrote:
LOL, shame you haven't two teenagers who could help you along the way towards 200 calls a month.:)

Unfortunately, it’s not that simple though.
Only if you already had an established pattern of 200 calls a month and continued with the same pattern would you have in effect saved the £1 a month increase.
However, even continuing with an average pattern of three calls per day would virtually half the increase to just 55p per month.

Web Buddy repeated:
No criticism intended, but in addition to basically repeating information I previously posted, you’re now simply just repeating yourself.
Perhaps you’d now care to comment upon the price decreases.

According to chick, he’s been notified by BT of a £1 per month increase, so maybe your suspicions are more than a little unfounded.


No its perfectly correct Homehighway users on the Standard BT Line Rental will be moved to Option 1 and will pay £3 a month more. To compound it BT previously put out information saying the increase was £1 which they have since corrected.
 
spider said:
I wasn't aware of this either. On checking BTs April 2004 Update it lists this and other price increases such as calling the speaking clock, from 10p to 20p. I must remember to read everything that comes with a Bill.

Currently these tariff changes are under review by OFCOM who believe them to be Anti Compeitive.The case was originally being reviewed under Chapter II of the Competition Act 1998 (abuse of a dominant position) but since the start of the investigation new EU legislation has come in and the case is now being reviewed under EC Regulation 1/2003 which gives OFCOM powers unde article 81 and 82 of said act as well as chapters I and II prohibitions

This investigation was intiated by OFCOM although it has also recieved over 13 complaints from other operators.

OFCOM's intial view is "In light of the structure of BT's new retail tariff packages and the allegations made as to BT's conduct, Ofcom has reasonable grounds to suspect that BT has abused its dominant position in the markets identified above."
 
Web Buddy wrote:
No its perfectly correct Homehighway users on the Standard BT Line Rental will be moved to Option 1 and will pay £3 a month more
What do you mean “No its perfectly correct ” ?????
Nobody said it was wrong :confused:

To compound it BT previously put out information saying the increase was £1 which they have since corrected.
In the famous words of Capt_Cretin - Any link for that ?

Originally Posted by spider:
….. lists this and other price increases such as calling the speaking clock, from 10p to 20p. …...
To which Web Buddy replied:
Currently these tariff changes are under review by OFCOM who believe them to be Anti Compeitive.
Forgive me for asking, and not that I doubt you for one moment, but in view of previous incorrect statements of yours (ie customers have to pay for a calls that aren’t connected as well as having to pay for simply ringing 1471), could you provide conclusive proof (without putting any spin on the evidence), together with a direct link that confirms Ofcom believes it to be anti-competitive.
I would be very interested to see why these changes are allowed to proceed when (in your words) Ofcom believes them to be anti-competitive.

Purely as a matter of interest, but seeing as you’ve still not mentioned the price reductions, here’s a little clip the Telegraph had a month or two ago:

Uswitch.com, an independent analyst, said that the average BT customer will see their bill cut by £24.09 a year.
 
paul45 said:
Web Buddy wrote:
What do you mean “No its perfectly correct ” ?????
Nobody said it was wrong :confused:

In the famous words of Capt_Cretin - Any link for that ?

Originally Posted by spider: To which Web Buddy replied: Forgive me for asking, and not that I doubt you for one moment, but in view of previous incorrect statements of yours (ie customers have to pay for a calls that aren’t connected as well as having to pay for simply ringing 1471), could you provide conclusive proof (without putting any spin on the evidence), together with a direct link that confirms Ofcom believes it to be anti-competitive.
I would be very interested to see why these changes are allowed to proceed when (in your words) Ofcom believes them to be anti-competitive.

Purely as a matter of interest, but seeing as you’ve still not mentioned the price reductions, here’s a little clip the Telegraph had a month or two ago:

Uswitch.com, an independent analyst, said that the average BT customer will see their bill cut by £24.09 a year.

I have made no incorrect claim I mealy pointed out that BT was introducing a charge for using the call back feature on 1471 whethr the call connected or not. That is not incorrect it is a fact.

OFCOM belive these changes are Anticompetive and they initiated the investigation themselves and that investigation is ongoing delays occurred due to the UK legislation changing part way through the investigation.
Te evidence is pretty damning. BT customers have price reductions, non BT customers such as those using CPS providers get Increases.

It is very likely that when the investigation is complete that BT will have to revise its tariffs and pay compensation.
 
BT is still the same dreadful monopoly as it was prior to privatisation. I do not use BT for any calls but I am forced to rent a line from them (no hope of cable here). I have to stump up £1 extra per month.
I complained to BT but was politely informed that I would have to lump it. Maybe Ofcom will make BT rent out their lines wholesale-bound to be cheaper!
 
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Web Buddy wrote:
I have made no incorrect claim I mealy pointed out that BT was introducing a charge for using the call back feature on 1471 whethr the call connected or not.
Oh come on now, this is very different to the claim you made in your eariler message - a point that has been commented upon previously.

OFCOM belive these changes are Anticompetive
Te evidence is pretty damning
You still supply no links to back-up your claims of facts, so I repeat once again:
... in view of previous incorrect statements of yours (ie customers have to pay for a calls that aren’t connected as well as having to pay for simply ringing 1471), could you provide conclusive proof (without putting any spin on the evidence), together with a direct link that confirms Ofcom believes it to be anti-competitive.
I would be very interested to see why these changes are allowed to proceed when (in your words) Ofcom believes them to be anti-competitive.


It is very likely that when the investigation is complete that BT will have to revise its tariffs and pay compensation
And your conclusion is based upon what facts (or is it conjecture) ?

BT customers have price reductions,……
At long last, an acknowledgement of the price reductions, which I might add, according to Uswitch will be £24 per year for the average customer.
 
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