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BT Duct & Pole Sharing

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Would not this work for Virgin Media who could infill and extend their coverage by using the BT ducts & Poles
 
Yes, of course BT will do everything they can to prevent Virgin Media from being able to do that while their own platform remains closed. Under the present rules Ofcom has not forbidden Virgin Media to make use of BT's ducts and poles, although a further review into the issue is due later this summer that could require Virgin to open up some of their platform if they wish to use BT's ducts. Still a lot of unknowns.
 
This though was an OFCOM decision. They decided BT had SMP across the UK with the exception of Hull. Within Hull they decided KCOMS had SMP. They concluded that Virgin Media with only 16% of the UK market did not have SMP

The real answer in my view is to seperate the BT local loop from BT & the street cable network from Virgin. It should then be transferred to another company which would own and maintain it. This company would not be allowed to provided end users services. This removes the current conflict of interests. It becomes in the interest of the new local loop company to get as many users on it as possible rather then the present system where Virgin & BT try to keep the competition out

THe setup would be similar then to the electricity market where the National Grid owns the Network & a number of distribution companies suply the end users.
 
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bob makes a very good point, which l agree with.. however too many high profile ppl have their fingers in the pot so it will take time sadly.
 
This though was an OFCOM decision. They decided BT had SMP across the UK with the exception of Hull. Within Hull they decided KCOMS had SMP. They concluded that Virgin Media with only 16% of the UK market did not have SMP

The real answer in my view is to seperate the BT local loop from BT & the street cable network from Virgin. It should then be transferred to another company which would own and maintain it. This company would not be allowed to provided end users services. This removes the current conflict of interests. It becomes in the interest of the new local loop company to get as many users on it as possible rather then the present system where Virgin & BT try to keep the competition out

THe setup would be similar then to the electricity market where the National Grid owns the Network & a number of distribution companies suply the end users.

Couldn't agree more. Indeed I can't see any real "final third" progress on any wide scale until this happens.
 
There's no way that the government/Ofcom could separate "the street cable network from Virgin" and put it under another business like BTOpenreach or similar because, unlike BT, Virgin Media has never been owned by the government and doesn't have SMP on a national scale. It's always been a commercial business and that's the biggest barrier.

I mild compromise is possible but sadly it won't be anything like the above suggestion.
 
If this is what we end up with Privatized companies squabbling over the use of ducts and poles, then NATIONALIZE THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM.

Then maybe after all the screaming has died down somebody could get better grip on what needs to be done.

To carry on as we are will only lead to further delay and book passing, any progress to NGA WILL BE DELAYED.
 
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If this is what we end up with Privatized companies squabbling over the use of ducts and poles, then NATIONALIZE THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM.

Then maybe after all the screaming has died down somebody could get better grip on what needs to be done.

To carry on as we are will only lead to further delay and book passing, any progress to NGA WILL BE DELAYED.


It is a bit of a shambles at present. Virgin are not really expanding their network & BT are roling out FTTC pretty slow and it is very selective. They are largely rolling it out to London & South East England and pretty much ignoring everywhere elese bar a few token exchanges

The sharing of ducts & poles would help move things foward. Every so often OFCOM will give them a kick but that drags on for years before that happens and BT & Virgin are always one step ahead of the regulator

Rather then OFCOM keep trying to drive prices down it needs to be more focussed on them imroving rollout

There is a lot of exageration of speeds by BT as well in many areas for ADSL the average is about 5MB. A long way from the upto 20Mb BT present it as
 
l agree with the exaggeration.. according to BTs info l was supposed to get 7meg in my area and l get little over 2meg.
 
A rough rule of thumb with the BT Network is that a typical user is likely to get about a third of the claimed upto speed. The chances of anyone getting the claimed upto speed is close to zero
 
Privatisation is what has ultimately given us the competitive market that exists today, with its varied and differing selection of service types and prices. However it is possible that the wider market could benefit if parts of BT Openreach were re-nationalised but in any case that's highly unlikely to happen.

As for Virgin Media, they can do what they like, Virgin has always been a commercial company.. for better or worse. There is no onus upon them to do anything but we naturally all expect more.
 
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It does not need to be renationalised but we really need the local loop/Cable network in common ownership and removed from conflicts of interest which we get with the current network

The importnent aspect is the removal of the conflict of interest. The least radical approach is to leave the Virgin Network alone and just deal with the BT local loop. Currently in theroy BT Openreach is a seperate BT business unit. It is not a particularly satisisfactory situation though as it is still a part of BT. The least contentious way foward would be to make BT Openreach a wholly owned subsiderry company of BT. That gives a far better seperation from BT. It would be a seperate company with a seperate set of directors these removes any direct interfernece by BT from it. This company should also not provide end users service as this removes the conflict issues
 
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