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BT FTTP vs Virgin Media FTTP

Remember not everyone is a geek who wants high upload, VM are still capable of selling gigabit download speeds, which from a marketing perspective competes with FTTP just fine. Their situation is nowhere near as dire as areas stuck on DSL services.
Indeed, 15/2 is acceptable but I much rather have 20/20 minimum or even 50/50 as I don't have a need for 100MB plus.
 
VM are still capable of selling gigabit download speeds, which from a marketing perspective competes with FTTP just fine.
Yes but while they can advertise them their actual ability to deliver in HFC areas is not guaranteed due to previous HFC neglect and although FTTC is much slower it can have certain advantages. I know I have both.

The issue for them is that things are changing. OR are already at 9m and moving, Cityfibre are overbuilding in VM areas and nimble Altnets like FW(Hey!) or other Altnet are on every OR pole.

My daughter is only paying £35/m for 400/200Mbps full fibre which will push Cityfibre let alone VM. VM is losing it's broadband only customers around here. No reason for them to stay, only those without a TV aeriel.
 
Yes but while they can advertise them their actual ability to deliver in HFC areas is not guaranteed due to previous HFC neglect and although FTTC is much slower it can have certain advantages. I know I have both.

The issue for them is that things are changing. OR are already at 9m and moving, Cityfibre are overbuilding in VM areas and nimble Altnets like FW(Hey!) or other Altnet are on every OR pole.

My daughter is only paying £35/m for 400/200Mbps full fibre which will push Cityfibre let alone VM. VM is losing it's broadband only customers around here. No reason for them to stay, only those without a TV aeriel.

Yeah the biggest issue for VM is now they have actual competition, before they could say "tough luck £60 for gig1" and customer couldnt say but this other isp can offer it for less, now there is others who can offer that speed, VM is having to bring its price down somewhat on retention and new customer deals.

However again though I go back to my EE retention's call, the guy did a postcode check and was like "yeah I wont even try, we got no FTTP at your postcode", far far worse for DSL only areas, and my area can sync at the full 80 as well but still nothing vs gigabit services.

Of course there is people who have had issues on VM working from home, and gamers who have problems in congested HFC areas, how many areas thats a bad thing, not sure. My area used to be a oversubscribed area, so I know how bad it can get on VM, but now I have also experienced how good it works when is little to no visible congestion.
 
Add my thoughts. I get it. This is a forum for all things Internet. So the kind of user here is going to be checking the max speeds they get. When running on FTTC the main factor for speed restriction was the distance from the optical node / exchange.

Admittedly, I got a bit giddy when I could switch from FTTC to FTTP. My previous experience of full fibre was with my work where I dealt with PTP connections / leased lines / uncontended bandwidth. I had to adjust my expectations for FTTP.

The headline figures are the max speeds or what your connection can "burst" up. I have 145Mbps with Plusnet. That's the name of the package, but I am guaranteed 80Mbps download. It can burst to 145Mbps. 30Mbps is estimated. I get 28Mbps approx.

At present, in reality, I consistenly get 145Mbps, as am not really not contending with other users. I would imagine the take up is low so far in my area as it is still relatively new. Honestly though, I don't think I have or will ever max out the download speed. Data is burstly by nature, so most of the time (even when working from home, browsing internet, streaming) the download is low.

I / everyone is at the mercy of what the last mile provider decides as their contention ratio I guess?

I appreciate some people have had woes with old Virgin Media last mile infrastrucutre, so are looking / hoping for better. The new fibre network will offer that, but I would need to adjust your expectations accordingly. Where you may have seen slow downs due to contention. That may still happen on new infrastructure (depending on what peak speed you pay for) but I would say not as bad (depending on VM policy to contention). You'll get a min speed guarantee and better ping more stable connection. Just don't confused going full fibre as a leased line with uncontended bandwidth.

So sounds good VM is building their own last mile full fibre, let's hope they don't spoil it with whatever policies they implement.

EDITTED - As realised the explanation of my FTTP package made no sense - hopefully does now.
 
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I appreciate some people have had woes with old Virgin Media last mile infrastrucutre, so are looking / hoping for better. The new fibre network will offer that, but I would need to adjust your expectations accordingly. Where you may have seen slow downs due to contention. That may still happen on new infrastructure (depending on what peak speed you pay for) but I would say not as bad (depending on VM policy to contention). You'll get a min speed guarantee and better ping more stable connection. Just don't confused going full fibre as a leased line with uncontended bandwidth.
I hope this virgin xgs is good :P but with moving here over 2 years ago, and having 20mb, I'd be happy with 50mb!

this is my contract for it, it looks pretty similar to what a hfc gig would be maybe? Is anyone here on gig1 HFC? able to check it to see if it matches?

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The FTTP VM are running is on a 1:64 split. It won't have the same issues as the cable network. It's currently vastly superior to the Openreach deployment in terms of the bandwidth per premises.
whats this mean in terms I'd understand :P could more people use the max bandwidth at once without issues? what would that max be? 10gb? ( if they allowed it)
 
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whats this mean in terms I'd understand :p could more people use the max bandwidth at once without issues? what would that max be? 10gb? ( if they allowed it)

Yeah more people could use a gigabit or two at the same time.

Realistically the XGSPON network can do about 8.5 Gbit/s. YouFibre sell uncapped, it's what I'm on, and I see 8 Gbit/s any time I care to check, although the only thing that can actually get close is a speed test.
 
Yeah more people could use a gigabit or two at the same time.

Realistically the XGSPON network can do about 8.5 Gbit/s. YouFibre sell uncapped, it's what I'm on, and I see 8 Gbit/s any time I care to check, although the only thing that can actually get close is a speed test.
How much was that after, I remember being offered 400 a month for it once available?
 
YouFiber offer it for 250+vat afaik. (when I last checked)
 
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