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BT now bringing contractors from India.

Kits

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Cheap contract labour to work replacing contractors they normally used.

Again it is a case of using offshore people who wil return back to India leaving those living in UK without work.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/04/bt_tech_mahindra/
BT has been accused of laying off expensive UK contractors and replacing them with Indian staff.

Workers brought in using intra-company transfers are replacing contractors for about half the price, a contractor told BBC Radio 4.


According to a contractor working for BT Global Services on the National Programme for IT - the NHS project, workers from TechMahindra, earn about £220 a day, versus £400 a day for a UK contractors. The contractor told the BBC's File on 4 it was a cost-cutting move. He said he'd got the figures from his line manager.
 
I think the problem is they don't want to actually employ anyone on the NHS contract knowing that it may get dumped with labour and they'll end up with a lot of staff but no work for them to do.

Even if it does carry on it a costly project both for BT and the NHS. Seeing how various NHS projects run its not surprising BT are struggling to get things in and working. I think the government screwed us all on this. Large IT projects that don't have a good solid base on an existing working well maintained smaller systems either never work or end up been a bottomless pit.

Then again BT should have know what a minefield they where getting into and stayed well away from it. Its just a shame everyone who was actually involved has probably now left and the innocent contractors and staff are the ones taking the hit.
 
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If BT were PAYING £400 a day, FFS HOW MUCH ARE THEY CHARGING!!!!!!!!

No wonder the NHS IT system is £12,000,000,000 over budget and climbing, with less than 10% of the system installed and (not) working!!!!
 
400 for a programmer is a fairly normal rate, that figure is not the same as the person will get paid but rather the amount that goes into their company who will need to pay 11% NI and their operating costs (including corporation tax) before paying the contractor.

Most contractors assume they will only manage to be contracted for 8 months in any 12 month period and they don't get holiday pay in the same way so they are probably only receiving the equivalent of 50k in pay (which for a experienced programmer is about right)

The techMahindra staff aren't contractors in the same way but rather employed individuals (by techMahindra) who receive a salary and invoice BT on a daily rate. They are likely to be paying tax outside of the UK....
 
Also who is paying for them to travel to the UK and the hotels they will be staying in while working here?

Again sending UK money outside of the country can only damage recovery of our country from this recession.
 
They are not saying "Programmers", they are saying "Contractors", that covers a much wider area of skills; my old engineering firm used to "contract" me out (even when I was still an apprentice), to other firms; and charge £25 an hour for me, which comes to £200 a day 25 years ago!!
But contract workers also carry out low skill jobs like cleaning, so it is important to know WHAT level of work the contracted employees were performing.
Reading the report, my first instinct was for cabling and installation work; I cannot see that they need programmers "on the shop floor", because it does not matter where in the world the programmer is, as long as there is a good internet connection between his/her "home" and the site they are working on.
 
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Global Services is its IT arm however.

When ever we've had a fault at work with cabling etc or our nhsNets links we've had Openreach out to fix it, so I don't think Global Services do any installation/cabling work in the uk. Even if it is, there still some very technical work with Network/Telecoms engineers. It ain't just connecting a wire from one end t'other.
 
??? Did I say something funny????

It ain't just connecting a wire from one end t'other.

Actually, having done the job, 99% of it IS that simple.

The remaining 1% needs an expert, but NOT a whole gang of them at £400 a day, just one to tell the monkeys what and where to put things, then check it out afterwards.

Anything beyond that means they fcuked up at the design stage as you should not be designing the system as you install it.

Perhaps this is why BT have lost billions on the project and only managed to get a couple of hospital systems up and runing in....

HOW MANY YEARS????????
 
The networking stuff has been done already anyway (ok it was delivered late). Its just the systems left. To be honest I don't think anyone could have delivered on the contracts. I'm not even sure that CfH/NPfit knows what it wants out of the various systems still to this day.

This somehow reminded me of the whole mess:
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090601
 
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??? Did I say something funny????



Actually, having done the job, 99% of it IS that simple.

The remaining 1% needs an expert, but NOT a whole gang of them at £400 a day, just one to tell the monkeys what and where to put things, then check it out afterwards.

Anything beyond that means they fcuked up at the design stage as you should not be designing the system as you install it.

Perhaps this is why BT have lost billions on the project and only managed to get a couple of hospital systems up and runing in....

HOW MANY YEARS????????

More lost the money paying ppl like Ian and the CEO of global high bonuses for faulure.
 
Kits, I meant I have done cabling work for a network, not that I worked on the NHS disaster; I was one of the monkeys (a 3rd year apprentice).

The jobs that was charged at £200 a day (they paid me £45), was for robotic trucks that carried lorry engines around an assembly plant; I went in and re-wired the control systems because they were not happy with the original (to their own specification!!) wiring.
 
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