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BT, Phorm 21CN

Kits

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Bt are still stuck in the storm over the DPI phorm they are trying to market as webwise, they say it is to protect you from phishing don''t be fooled your browsers can do that and common sence.

As a BT shareholder I have been reading up on the minuets of the coming AGM from what I already know from the news, how Emma talks when questioned and the leaked BT secret trials document from 2006 Britain could end up the country that allows their internet to be intercepted read harvested and then force fed adverts from our searches. All by the very company we struggled to clear from our systems that forced loads of pop up on our computers for advertisements after he stealthed his rootkit onto the machines hidden in some software.

Knowing all this what a shock on the AGM noted no mention of phorm, webwise etc just
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Hidden in their is the bit about watching your every click onver the internet havestiong the keywords, not forgetting the redirections 4 times pretending to be the website you are visiting and forged cookies for a start.

Reading the leaked report BT are planning on putting phorm on 21cn which could mean all ISPs using managed 21cn connections customers maybe,could be,might be harvested and targeted advertisments from phorm regardless of what your ISP says since BT are only saying new inovative additions and DPI.

Phorm is a DPI that has the ability to do much more than phorm/BT are saying.

My observations of phorm and BT seem to have cone to a conclusion since BT didn't test Phorm using their own design team who design the BT network hasn't shown they used the BT Operate to operate it since the leaked document says 121media sorted out the faults they had with it then how can thye say what 121media harvested during the trials as scripting is very confusing to those who are not good at scripting and get commands easy to change.

Now what value do the British people put on speed surrender you privacy for speed you all need to ask your ISPs now what are their views on phorm and let them know what you will do to avoid the intrusion into your privacy. The only way BT will learn now that this is not a society to surrender the privacy.
 
if someone makes the petition, and l mean a proper one which informs the nation and explains then lm all for signing, hell ld back anything here even would like to take part in some online based protest against this.. surely ISPs who use BTw products will have something to say against this!
 
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waiting on the verification email, sadly its taking its time to arrive but lve signed!!
 
Avoiding Phorm

Does anyone know whether by using an anonymous surfing programme,wont mention any particular brand,it is possible to be invisible to the threat of being 'phormed'..:
 
Not sure with that yet some have started scripting to avoid phorm or to make the phorm cookies unusable to phorm. Looking at the werbsites in my sig might give some help. Mel on these forums has something to mess with Phorm cookies.
From what we have found out if you block phorm/webwise then browsing on port 80 will become difficult.
 
tbh l think using browser encryption to surf would be pointless.. things will still be profiled.. and if more users tried lm sure eventually they will be asking "why do you need to encrypt traffic, are you doing something against the law" its the same with p2p, the moment one thinks they have gotten around the whole issue they will be asking why do you need to encrypt traffic or this guy is doing something he doesnt want us to know about it must be bad.
 
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There are a few websites that are trialing https for all pages, this might be the way to stop phorm since they said they woudnt harvest words from https.
 
Just to clarify what Kits has said, the managed version (WBMC) of broadband on 21cn has a 'DPI' capability 'available' to ISP's (this is a coming soon feature)

Those taking the unmanaged version (WBC), like we - Entanet - are doing would have to add the functionality separately. I think I've made it clear where we stand on the Phorm issue :)
 
Thank you James yes it does seem that any ISP that goes down the managed path with 21cn could be phormed unless the anti phorm fighters manage to prove this is illegal and it is stopped.

We do not intend to give up the fight many fighting are actually safe frm phorm but understand the workings, aquired the information to help check the legality or in phorm case illegal use of peoples internet clicks to aquire profit.
 
To also suggest just maybe pay the CEO and other top mamangers less and BT could afford fibre to the home :D

Who needs a pay rise of £196,000 there is at least one getting that high.

Also Golden handshakes once they leave a company should be stopped, while working they had a contract to work they were paid for this work. Once they leave there should be no handshake £700,000 would do a lot on BT network those on a lot less never see in a life time what some get as a golden handshake when they leave.

I have found this link on comments about phorm and think it is needed to shake up those who are not sure if we need to fight phorm, fight this intrusion or face this one day happening to you. http://www.aclu.org/pizza/
 
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still using https on pages is somewhat slow for my liking, its like going over the top in a situation that shouldnt be allowed...

as for the 21CN thing, how can they get away with it!! arnt virgin on a managed solution on the ADSL side of things? lm sure they were using bt manage parts of their network from a story on ispr in the last few months... l cant see any self respecting ISP using a product or wanting to endorse and also put more money in power hungry BT.. all they are interested in is money, they dont care about speed and reliability as loing as they stay just one step the other side of being closed down for defrauding customers and ISPs, cuz thats how l feel... there the only company that seems to have immunity from the law even tho they have broken it.
 
Immunity of the law don't think so the stumblilng block is I think you wil find GB decided this would be an easy way fro the govenrment to tap into the DPI and see what the public was upto then lable us all possible terrorist, terrorist, activist you get the idea at no cost to them. Gordon Brown is doing more damage to public privacy than any other government.
 
l get you point, but the whole issue stinks.. the government is playing the l dont care card because it wants to do the same thing itself, hence phorm get immunity and BT get to cash in and if they have their way not only will they be making money off leased services but also the users who use those leased services...

now lm against phorm wholeheartedly, however if something like this were to go ahead shouldnt the ISP using said service be getting its revenue, it kinda feels like borrowing a CD from a friend and the BPI charging me what the CD cost just because l didnt buy it myself (it that makes any sense)
 
I actually agree if the customer agrees to allow phorm on their internet then BT should supply BB totally uncapped without FUP or AUP or port throttling :D at a reduced rate..
 
exactly, l refuse to hand over any more money to them whether it be from just using the net or paying my line rental etc.. we pay enough as it is, after all we dont all get golden handshakes for just sitting there and doing nothing, hell we put millions into the shareholders pockets and what do they give us back? nothing whatsoever expect reduced privacy.
 
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http://www.theprivacyblog.com/?p=75
I expect everyone has seen this,clearly the whole issue is going international,my original
post on this subject relates to the closing sentence,not being a techie I do not know if this is true,hence the post.As to the question of whether or not it is a good idea to surf anonymously or not,surely everyone has the legal right to anonimaty and the 'they' refered to have no right to invade my browsing privacy,or my mail privacy without a court order,yes I have something to hide i.e. my browsing history(you would be amazed at how boring it is),surely that is what the whole debate is about,I have no more desire to have my personal activities monitored by HMG than BT,Ford Motor Company,or any one else who can, so if encryption were the answer then so be it.
 
Hi Richard There is a lot going on if you are aound London on 16 July Barbican is the place to go and talk to people who know more about phorm. There is a demonstration outside the Barbican of protesters trying to get the Shareholders to understand what phorm is and what BT have done and are planning..

The problem I think with BT the managers are now being paid too much money so need to squeeze the little man for more to feed their expensive taste.MPO
 
exactly, this is all about greed...
 
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