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BT, Vodafone or Virgin FTTP

hle13

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As my flat apparently is capable of FTTP, is it worth moving from Virgin over to a Vodafone/BT FTTP connection or wait for Virgin to get around to upgrading their network to FTTP or what ever it is they're using?

What are Virgin`s rivals like?
 
Best is to go with BT if you care about Customer service/ good speeds.

Voda is good to but its a mix as they customer service is worse then AI.

Up to you though :)
 
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BT or TalkTalk if you want cheap as TalkTalk is actually good just their customer service is useless. Vodafone's routing can be a bit crap to be honest so if higher latency bothers you I wouldn't touch them.
 
If you are willing to take a gamble, solely because their customer service is so utterly bad. I would second the TalkTalk suggestion. Their line speeds are fantastic as I was put on TalkTalk business for my FTTP.

If you can get a good deal with them I would go with them. However, I would suggest to wait a month or so because you might get hit with the 2024 April CPR price increases if you get it now. I think from reading a deal on Hotukdeals last year you can buy in March and not get affected by it for that year.
 
you dont want virgin mate XD
I'm already with VM but suffer from high latency apparently.

My parents used to be with BT so I'm kinda of familiar with them although didn't have any involvement.

Talk Talk I've heard mixed reviews.

Vodafone well when I first moved to my flat I was a SSE Broadband customer which than got migrated or managed by Vodafone, lost count of the number of times the service went down.

What's BT like for Port Forwarding?

Are all existing FTTC packages available over FTTP or do they keep them apart?
 
My Vodafone has been rock solid. 4ms on average. Virgin was horrid for latency as this shows.
 

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Might also be worth looking at other openreach fttp providers, they'll probably be more expensive but give full flexibility (if your talking about port forwards presumably you would like a static ip?) Very happy with Aquiss though a bit more costly than Voda/talktalk & possibly not the lowest latency.
 
Might also be worth looking at other openreach fttp providers, they'll probably be more expensive but give full flexibility (if your talking about port forwards presumably you would like a static ip?) Very happy with Aquiss though a bit more costly than Voda/talktalk & possibly not the lowest latency.
Already have a static IP setup for me that works regardless of operator.
 
Have been looking at a few FTTP operators though, found one I like but sadly they don't yet have coverage where I live :(
 
There’s some good info in my thread below.

I had the option of new VM rollout vs Openreach.

 
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Vodafone well when I first moved to my flat I was a SSE Broadband customer which than got migrated or managed by Vodafone, lost count of the number of times the service went down.

Was this on a FTTC or ADSL service? If so your experience of outages are much more likely due to your old OpenReach copper phone line rather than the ISP itself.

I have had two years on Voda OpenReach FTTP and it's been rock solid.
 
Was this on a FTTC or ADSL service? If so your experience of outages are much more likely due to your old OpenReach copper phone line rather than the ISP itself.

I have had two years on Voda OpenReach FTTP and it's been rock solid.
FTTC, Openreach has put in a new connection inside my flat where the router is BUT the point where the connection comes in initially, the cabling is rather frayed and was like that before I moved in.

Am rather hoping that if I can get FTTP approved by my landlord that when FTTP is connected up for me that the old copper line can be fully removed.
 
If this is an Openreach FTTP connection then there are dozens of providers to choose from - don't limit yourself to BT and Vodafone.

There is a tradeoff between cost and quality (of service and of customer support).

Aquiss works very well for me. Responsive customer support, 12 month contract, first 12 months half price. For even higher grade there are Cerberus, AAISP. But you pay. For all those, you need to provide your own router.

At the cheap end there's always Plusnet who are pretty decent overall.

Note that many FTTP providers won't provide you with a voice service. BT, Vodafone and Sky *do* include it (you plug your phone into their router), and Zen offer it at extra cost. But if you need voice, you'd be better off moving your phone number to a separate VOIP provider using SIP, which gives you maximum choice over FTTP providers. It also you can keep your number forever, regardless of home moves, and answer your home phone number on your mobile.
 
So far I've had EE and TalkTalk provide me with leaflets announcing that I can now get FTTP.

Are there FTTP plans available for those who are eligible for social tariff plans as so far it just appears that Vodafone does them?
 
So far I've had EE and TalkTalk provide me with leaflets announcing that I can now get FTTP.

Are there FTTP plans available for those who are eligible for social tariff plans as so far it just appears that Vodafone does them?
BT and Vodafone does, not sure about EE or TT
 
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So far I've had EE and TalkTalk provide me with leaflets announcing that I can now get FTTP.

Are there FTTP plans available for those who are eligible for social tariff plans as so far it just appears that Vodafone does them?
All the social tariffs are basically the same no matter if you are FTTC or FTTP. It's the same 40/10 and 80/20 packages, just with a better chance of getting the full speeds you're paying for when you're on full fibre.

EE will direct you back to BT Home Essentials. £15 for 40/10 and 700 calling minutes, or £20 for 80/20 and unlimited minutes. This is available to both copper and fibre households. EE Do have their own essentials tariff for the same price if you push them, but it's without a landline. If you opt to add it you'll pay significantly more for the same package... So it makes more sense to go with BT where you'll still end up with the exact same EE router, same customer service etc.

If you want better speeds on an Openreach FTTP Line you'll have to pay for a standard residential tariff. With gigabit for example, Onestream will be one of the cheapest options at the moment (They just resell Vodafone broadband) for £34.95 a month, or Vodafone themselves are £36 but can be refuced to £33 if you have a phone/SIM from them too which would make them slightly cheaper for you.
 
All the social tariffs are basically the same no matter if you are FTTC or FTTP. It's the same 40/10 and 80/20 packages, just with a better chance of getting the full speeds you're paying for when you're on full fibre.

EE will direct you back to BT Home Essentials. £15 for 40/10 and 700 calling minutes, or £20 for 80/20 and unlimited minutes. This is available to both copper and fibre households. EE Do have their own essentials tariff for the same price if you push them, but it's without a landline. If you opt to add it you'll pay significantly more for the same package... So it makes more sense to go with BT where you'll still end up with the exact same EE router, same customer service etc.

If you want better speeds on an Openreach FTTP Line you'll have to pay for a standard residential tariff. With gigabit for example, Onestream will be one of the cheapest options at the moment (They just resell Vodafone broadband) for £34.95 a month, or Vodafone themselves are £36 but can be refuced to £33 if you have a phone/SIM from them too which would make them slightly cheaper for you.
does onestream resell vodafones plans for all speeds? and do they use vodafones peering/network or just backhaul ? if you dont know its ok
 
does onestream resell vodafones plans for all speeds? and do they use vodafones peering/network or just backhaul ? if you dont know its ok
To the best of my knowledge, yes to all of the above.

They currently ONLY sell via Openreach though, no CityFibre based packages but it's in the works apparently.

The connection itself is literally just Vodafone. The PPPoE login credentials are a Vodafone account login. You can use a Vodafone router out of the box with their connection, and the routing and performance were identical between Onestream and Vodafone in my experience.

Billing and customer service are basically the only two things that differ between the two.
 
All the social tariffs are basically the same no matter if you are FTTC or FTTP. It's the same 40/10 and 80/20 packages, just with a better chance of getting the full speeds you're paying for when you're on full fibre.

EE will direct you back to BT Home Essentials. £15 for 40/10 and 700 calling minutes, or £20 for 80/20 and unlimited minutes. This is available to both copper and fibre households. EE Do have their own essentials tariff for the same price if you push them, but it's without a landline. If you opt to add it you'll pay significantly more for the same package... So it makes more sense to go with BT where you'll still end up with the exact same EE router, same customer service etc.

If you want better speeds on an Openreach FTTP Line you'll have to pay for a standard residential tariff. With gigabit for example, Onestream will be one of the cheapest options at the moment (They just resell Vodafone broadband) for £34.95 a month, or Vodafone themselves are £36 but can be refuced to £33 if you have a phone/SIM from them too which would make them slightly cheaper for you.

I'm currently on one of Virgin Media's social tariff which for £12.50 offers me 15Mbps DL / 2Mbps UL (Usually have to upload large files over night and sometimes over 48hrs)

Large files being railway timetable PDFs as a example the current folder I am using is 227MB.

Going by this site's article on Social Tariffs, it appears that it's a very fine line between Vodafone seems to be the next best option as for £20 they offer 73Mbps DL / 18Mbps UL over 12 months with no setup fees and BT for £20 offer 67Mbps DL / 20Mbps UL over 12 months with setup fees.

I'm not too fussed over calling minutes as I have my mobile phone for that.
 
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