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Can Unsymmetrical get turned into symmetrical

1000/115 will companys always offer that or Will companys like Hyperoptic Virgin or City Fibre Come and turn it in to 1000/1000 etc on 2.5ONT or is it permanently installed in particular way Whats Difference between Gpon oand XGs pon ir whatever Virgin uses so my main Question is how does thus work this mainly out of curiosity im really interested in how this works and what can be done etc
 
Open reach fibre will be restricted to overreach products. The providers you mention will install their own fibre and ONT.

Open reach may in future switch out ports and ONTs for XGSPON which would be symmetric, the fibre and splitter eff would be unchanged
 
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1000/115 will companys always offer that or Will companys like Hyperoptic Virgin or City Fibre Come and turn it in to 1000/1000 etc on 2.5ONT or is it permanently installed in particular way Whats Difference between Gpon oand XGs pon ir whatever Virgin uses so my main Question is how does thus work this mainly out of curiosity im really interested in how this works and what can be done etc
Right, lots to unpack here.

Firstly, Openreach, Virgin, Hyperoptic and City Fibre are all different network operators that have their own physical infrastructure. The only crossover between them is likely to be the use of Openreach PIA that allows sharing of ducts, at cost to the operators.

GPON and XGS-PON are different generations of passive optical networks. GPON has a total capacity of 2.4Gbps down and 1.2Gbps upload per port on an OLT. This capacity is shared between all the customers who are passively split on this port. The split ratio isn’t always public knowledge but tends to be something like 1:32. Openreach will have profiled usage on their network and arrived at a ratio that allows them to sell a range of speed packages without compromising service. The reason uploads are so much lower is because there is simply less overall capacity. XGS-PON is effectively the same but the total capacity is a symmetrical 10Gbps.

Because both technologies occupy different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, they can coexist on a single fibre. This means that over time, operators like Openreach can introduce XGS PON without impacting existing GPON services. Equipment on the consumer end will require changing to access the new technology but this can be done as and when customers elect to subscribe to an XGS PON package.
 
How can the customers elec
Right, lots to unpack here.

Firstly, Openreach, Virgin, Hyperoptic and City Fibre are all different network operators that have their own physical infrastructure. The only crossover between them is likely to be the use of Openreach PIA that allows sharing of ducts, at cost to the operators.

GPON and XGS-PON are different generations of passive optical networks. GPON has a total capacity of 2.4Gbps down and 1.2Gbps upload per port on an OLT. This capacity is shared between all the customers who are passively split on this port. The split ratio isn’t always public knowledge but tends to be something like 1:32. Openreach will have profiled usage on their network and arrived at a ratio that allows them to sell a range of speed packages without compromising service. The reason uploads are so much lower is because there is simply less overall capacity. XGS-PON is effectively the same but the total capacity is a symmetrical 10Gbps.

Because both technologies occupy different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, they can coexist on a single fibre. This means that over time, operators like Openreach can introduce XGS PON without impacting existing GPON services. Equipment on the consumer end will require changing to access the new technology but this can be done as and when customers elect to subscribe to an XGS PON package.
How can a customers elect to subscribe to an XGS PON package and what steps will be needed to proceed potentially.
would XGS PON need to be installed before the customers can elect ?
 
How can the customers elec

How can a customers elect to subscribe to an XGS PON package and what steps will be needed to proceed potentially.
would XGS PON need to be installed before the customers can elect ?
I was giving some hypothetical scenarios of something that hasn’t yet happened. There are no Openreach XGS packages that residential customers can subscribe to.

Openreach would need to install or enable their OLTs to operate in a dual stack configuration, as it is highly unlikely that they would do a mass change from GPON to XGS PON. Where sites are upgraded, they’d likely update their database and partner ISPs would be informed of the change.

On the customer side, selecting an XGS package would require an ONT swap out, as currently deployed ONTs are GPON only.
 
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How can the customers elec

How can a customers elect to subscribe to an XGS PON package and what steps will be needed to proceed potentially.
would XGS PON need to be installed before the customers can elect ?

Barring the major conflating you have done. With altnets who have xgs-pon available its just a case of a) being in that area with xgs-pon and b) buying a package from that isp.

Regarding openreach xgs-pon, it will be a new package tier, something like 2gbits down/330 up. Isps then deploy that package to the public when its ready. That alone make take some time due to capacity upgrades for the isp.
 
Openreach will *never* offer symmetric packages because EAD is also a product that exists, even on XGS-PON and above. It's not a technological issue, it's a protection of their other products issue.
 
In your situation, I'd just be happy to have some form of FTTP internet. You have spent so long desperate for fibre, and now you have it (or it's being installed?) and it's not good enough and you want the next thing
Look im happy with what I got but im just curious how things work and why its bulit this way etc knowing is half the battle for example Why Doesn't BT wanna upgrade to xgs pon speeds or When you criticise BT their white Knights show up out of nowhere i mean Gpons are like 20 years old you'd think such big company would wanna be up-to-date like the rest of em but no... yeah so im just asking questions out of curiosity 😅
 
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Look im happy with what I got but im just curious how things work and why its bulit this way etc knowing is half the battle for example Why Doesn't BT wanna upgrade to xgs pon speeds or When you criticise BT their white Knights show up out of nowhere i mean Gpons are like 20 years old you'd think such big company would wanna be up-to-date like the rest of em but no... yeah so im just asking questions out of curiosity 😅
BT wants money, upgrading means less money, using old things like GPON means more money.
 
BT wants money, upgrading means less money, using old things like GPON means more money.
Question for you why is Internet in the uk Run Like a Dictatorship Yes I got the product i needed i am happy can I not ask more questions its like that one BT ad saying You Don't need more than 80mps. but you cannot tell the customer what he needs or wants if given the opportunity anyone would get the best one
 
Question for you why is Internet in the uk Run Like a Dictatorship Yes I got the product i needed i am happy can I not ask more questions its like that one BT ad saying You Don't need more than 80mps. but you cannot tell the customer what he needs or wants if given the opportunity anyone would get the best one
Sorry, what are you talking about here? You can ask all the questions you want though you may not like the answers.

Certainly can't tell the customer what they need or want but can absolutely tell them what you're willing to provide.
 
Sorry, what are you talking about here? You can ask all the questions you want though you may not like the answers.

Certainly can't tell the customer what they need or want but can absolutely tell them what you're willing to provide.
I believe it was around 2010 the ad but it was to try stop leaving customers but they messed up big time there was backlash etc my question here is Why is bt still run like this.. ? (a dictatorship there's ways of telling the customer but and running things but this is such old mindset
 
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Look im happy with what I got but im just curious how things work and why its bulit this way etc knowing is half the battle for example Why Doesn't BT wanna upgrade to xgs pon speeds or When you criticise BT their white Knights show up out of nowhere i mean Gpons are like 20 years old you'd think such big company would wanna be up-to-date like the rest of em but no... yeah so im just asking questions out of curiosity 😅
You might not like what people say, doesn't make them white knights.

Openreach are using GPON because it's cheap and acceptable for most people's needs.

That's it. Why would they use bang up to date stuff that costs more when it brings them no benefit? Often people are moving from FTTC to really low packages bringing them very little extra income each month given most of these folks were paying for copper.
 
I believe it was around 2010 the ad but it was to try stop leaving customers but they messed up big time there was backlash etc my question here is Why is bt still run like this.. a dictatorship
Ads try and shape customer expectations and desires all the time. I have no recollection of what you're talking about. I remember Openreach reducing the amount of FTTP they were building as they thought FTTC would be enough but don't remember advertising.
 
Is Copper not being Phased Out Either By 2024 or 2028?
No.

Openreach has announced a stated aim to get 85% UK coverage of FTTP by December 2026, and they seem to be more or less on target for that; they are at 44% now and building at just over 1% per month.

If they meet that, then they aim to get to 99% by 2030-ish, but that's a very long-range aspiration.
 
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