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Can Unsymmetrical get turned into symmetrical

In my dreams, there needs to be more competition, and hopefully in time that will come -- I dream. There really needs to be a disruptive force like a multi-billion dollar corp like Google Fiber, or something to come in and add some real competition nation-wide, and then things might change. The UK is just not a market ripe for that kind of investment or disruption unfortunately imo.
Google's "disruption" like believing civil engineering can be treated like most of their services - done quick, cheap and shut down when it (literally) unravels? They literally abandoned one of the city networks they built because their "disruptive" microtrenching was failing.

The US is not the country to look to for competition. The UK already does it far better - and if you believe we must have physical infrastructure competition - altnets serve that purpose well.

Thats sucks for bt why not make the market like the us the only regulatory system is there for the customer so they don't get done by companies but other than that in the USA market in that particular area it runs smoothly Either its Ofcom who feck it up or Openreach/BT i dont have enough information to determine which
Nvm its definitely Ofcom
It must be asked - if Openreach are the only company willing to serve you, then you have to ask yourself why. Certainly there is no "dictatorship" - anyone can dig up any street. It's all about the business case.

If you want the UK to be like the US, you'd have even less of a chance of seeing an altnet, and Openreach would be merged back into BT and limited to providing BT/EE broadband services only. You'd probably be on cable internet and increasingly likely to have a data cap if you're in one of the many parts of the US without competition.

Ofcom aren't going to get involved and demand that Openreach provide faster upload speeds or symmetric service. Their main priority is price, and availability of competition. Openreach is already regulated in what they can charge and how they work with non-BT companies.
 
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They will offer it if CityFibre and Nexfibre are symmetric by default and Openreach customers (the ISPs) start losing customers as a result.
I doubt it, but ok.
 
Two options for you there:

1. Take FTTC on a 1-month or 12-month contract. (e.g. IDnet or Aquiss)
2. If you know who your preferred FTTP provider will be, check if they allow in-contract upgrades from FTTC to FTTP. If so, you're good. Several do.
That I know of, from a few quick searches, I can't find that they do allow in-contract upgrades, so that kind of puts that out of the window.

Still leaves the 1-month to 12-month contract though.

The biggest thing overall would probably be a router upgrade honestly, given how bad the router itself actually is.
 
It's a civil discussion forum. I don't think anyone is intentionally trolling. It's a nice place where we can all express our views and opinions. And everybody here is educated, civilised and nice.
I would like to think everyone is free to express their views and opinions. They are not entitled to have those views and opinions treated as if they are credible.

If people are free to express opinions others are free to express their opinions on those opinions.

Outside of my pay grade to decide when that crosses the line 😊
 
That is very true, and I agree with what you said.

However there are two points here, one is just a technical one, and one goes against my fundamental life-long philosophy about access to the global data network.

Number 1:
- In a theortical world there is no logical reason to throttle upstream, it is not a bandwidth constrained path in a full-duplex network, on the edge, which is what we are

Number 2:
- Free access to the global data network should not be predicated upon how it is used. If users decide to do that sort of thing, it should be detached from the underlying service offered.

Just my opinion. I believe in free access and services that you want, pay for what you want, not be constrined to fixed packages. Again, just a dream.
You can pay for what you want. You may not like the cost but you can pay for what you want.
 
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If other companies where to unite just for this I bet it would be done in half of the time openreach would take by itself better yet give Fibre Engineer incentives like if certain objectives are met by certain dates like they'll get Pay rise or Bonus of Eyz I can think of so many ways
Businesses are on incentives. Openreach don't have tens of thousands of their own staff doing this stuff, they have contractors that agreed to do x amount of homes by y date.

If you've some way that this could be done faster than Openreach, Nexfibre, etc are managing you could make a lot of money. Same response I give everyone else that thinks they know how to do other people's jobs better than they do. They might be right in which case they're probably going to end up a lot richer than most of us but 99.9% of the time they aren't.
 
That I know of, from a few quick searches, I can't find that they do allow in-contract upgrades
I'm pretty sure I've heard BT and Plusnet customers doing this, possibly also EE; but obviously you should get this in writing before committing.


 
I found an old page from Aquiss which said they allowed in-contract upgrades from ADSL to FTTC or FTTP:

You can query with them whether they allow this for FTTC to FTTP - they are very responsive. Not the cheapest ISP, but good.

And Talktalk even seem to do it proactively in some cases:
 
I found an old page from Aquiss which said they allowed in-contract upgrades from ADSL to FTTC or FTTP:

I've removed this page, as it is indeed very old.

However, for clarity we support both "in contract" products changes from ADSL and FTTC/SoGEA to FTTP (All Networks).
 
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i am that ******
Can you not call yourself that? We all have stuff to learn and it's okay to struggle with stuff.

I still don't know a lot about internet technologies and mobile networking but I don't call myself that.
 
Im not trolling i am that stupid hence why i have so much questions on how things work if it bad why it bad type sh#t i have autism aswell as learning Disability that wont stop me from trying to learn how things work
Nah you're not stupid. I'd actually say trying to educate yourself is the exact opposite of someone stupid. Good on you for reaching out and broadening your knowledge.

Nobody knows everything and you probably now know an awful lot more than the average public when it comes to home broadband!
 
If you're referring to the speed test in their signature, that'll be on 4G, as the speed test says "LTE" as the connection type :)
Okay many questions in one What is Gpon or Xgspon what does it look like Can potentially a extremely wealthy individual (not me) hypothetical Pay for the installation in doing so can other neighbours benefit from xgspon/gpon while saying this my mind Goes to a CBT devices its not with in the cbt right where are these devices usually located is there devices better than either of them or coming out ???
 
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Okay many questions in one What is Gpon or Xgspon what does it look like Can potentially a extremely wealthy individual (not me) hypothetical Pay for the installation in doing so can other neighbours benefit from xgspon/gpon while saying this my mind Goes to a CBT devices its not with in the cbt right where are these devices usually located is there devices better than either of them or coming out ???
Check out my post here where I explain the differences:

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/th...get-turned-into-symmetrical.41897/post-366720

Openreach are one of only a few who will lay you your own fibre but at great cost. There’s a product called FTTPoD, which stands for “Fibre to the Premises on Demand”. Basically you pay Openreach an awful lot and they’ll deliver a GPON connection point to serve you. Typically this will then be offered to those around you who will be served by this connection point. In Openreach world, this connection point is referred to as a CBT, which stands for connectorised block terminal. CBTs are located on top of poles and in ground chambers, depending on whether a property is served overhead or under ground. I hope this helps!
 
Im not trolling i am that stupid hence why i have so much questions on how things work if it bad why it bad type sh#t i have autism aswell as learning Disability that wont stop me from trying to learn how things work
Then please don't state your guesses as if they were fact. If you have no experience of the state of consumer Internet access in the USA, then don't say that it's much better in the USA.

If you have *heard* from somewhere that it's better then by all means quote your source - but a little research will show much stronger evidence that the situation there is pretty dire in most places. Minimum choice, poor service, high prices.
 
Then please don't state your guesses as if they were fact. If you have no experience of the state of consumer Internet access in the USA, then don't say that it's much better in the USA.

If you have *heard* from somewhere that it's better then by all means quote your source - but a little research will show much stronger evidence that the situation there is pretty dire in most places. Minimum choice, poor service, high prices.
Sorry 😅 okay let me try rephrase it i heard in USA in some cities like New york or LA, Austin Texas they have better networks i heard but but your right their infrastructure is bad I apologise
but why is our infrastructure Slowed Down is their not enough engineers or is their government involvement slowing it down like ofcom or local councils i vaguely remember reading on Wikipedia that gpons where made in 2010/11 I'll double check
 
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