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Yep, check my previous posts, I think 100mbit customers are deprioritised when a cell is deemed to be under heavy load, I have done a fair bit of testing, comparing sims etc.
EE's assumed purpose for the 100Mbps products is to differentiate and upsell products that users will rarely actually utilise fully.

At a network level it moderates the volatility of traffic. If the percentage on Max speeds is only a small percentage then the probability of a particular mast being excessively hit my max users is lower.

I have two EE SIMs one on 100Mbps and the other unrestricted and bizarrely I can move data allowance either way which is very useful. Near mast I have seen little difference other than the Max can pull much higher speeds (if available).

The only time I have seen a difference is when the actual devices (not SIMs) have decided to lock onto different frequencies or CA combinations.

The mast equipment should be managing the congestion and I would suggest it is more likely the Max product would be restricted and minimum connectivity for all users VoLTE, 10, 100 and Max would be the priority.

Mobile reliability is bad since 3G closure. Certain EE masts do not perform as before and I get EE texts all the time regarding "problem in your area" and "now cleared".

A lot of the issue is they alter one mast but it takes time to then reset/upgrade the settings on adjacent masts.

Its a mess out there on all of them and O2 has to be the worst currently.

Turn on my dual device, dual SIM and Speedify no issue.
 
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10GB for £5, uncapped speeds? :unsure::giggle:
The view from the mobile tariff/products team’s window at EE right now.

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EE's assumed purpose for the 100Mbps products is to differentiate and upsell products that users will rarely actually utilise fully.

At a network level it moderates the volatility of traffic. If the percentage on Max speeds is only a small percentage then the probability of a particular mast being excessively hit my max users is lower.

I have two EE SIMs one on 100Mbps and the other unrestricted and bizarrely I can move data allowance either way which is very useful. Near mast I have seen little difference other than the Max can pull much higher speeds (if available).

The only time I have seen a difference is when the actual devices (not SIMs) have decided to lock onto different frequencies or CA combinations.

The mast equipment should be managing the congestion and I would suggest it is more likely the Max product would be restricted and minimum connectivity for all users VoLTE, 10, 100 and Max would be the priority.

Mobile reliability is bad since 3G closure. Certain EE masts do not perform as before and I get EE texts all the time regarding "problem in your area" and "now cleared".

A lot of the issue is they alter one mast but it takes time to then reset/upgrade the settings on adjacent masts.

Its a mess out there on all of them and O2 has to be the worst currently.

Turn on my dual device, dual SIM and Speedify no issue.
Surely the 3G closure is unrelated to whatever issues you have in your area?
 
In theory VodaThree will offer better service than EE and therefore be competitive in service. Dirt cheap service will disappear and good service will remain at competitive prices. VMO2 will slowly improve their service to remain competitive in service and price.

But those prices will be similar to the ones EE currently offers. Not right away, but eventually. There's no reason for VF to be cheaper if they have a better network and are even trying to convert or lose customers on cheap plans. EE might drop their prices a bit and offer more data, free roaming, etc, if they want to grow, but BT isn't the type of company to go "crazy" like Three.

Anyway, my point is that you might not have many alternatives that are cheaper than the ones you were referring to.

At least that's what I think... I'll be happy if they prove me wrong. 😂
 
They don't want low ARPU, simple as. It's about quality not quantity for them
Probably one of the reasons their customer base has gone from 28 million to 22 million in the space of 12 years.

The cut throat MVNO market is a more attractive proposition for some.
 
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A convoluted trick to get a discount EE is to get a PAYG sim top it up and wait a short while. If you check the app every so often they will display an offer to get a 30% discount on a sim only plan if you call a number.
Just on this, sorry if this is a daft question, but - would I need an EE account to use the app and potentially get this discount? I'm just trying out EE and hadn't planned to create an account with them but I'm wondering if the app requires it (can't remember if the My O2 app did, haven't used it for years - since I was using a Windows phone in fact!)
 
Just on this, sorry if this is a daft question, but - would I need an EE account to use the app and potentially get this discount? I'm just trying out EE and hadn't planned to create an account with them but I'm wondering if the app requires it (can't remember if the My O2 app did, haven't used it for years - since I was using a Windows phone in fact!)
You’d need to register with an email address in order to use the app.
 
I'm fed up with the decline in my O2 experience, especially as I'm out of contract and paying too much.
How was O2 even like before? I joined O2 in May 2023 and I only used O2 PAYG with no credit prior to that.

When you're not looking at speedtests all the time, O2 is fine but it does really frustrate me that B1+20 is standard here still. Hopefully in the coming months, B1+8+20+n28 should be standard because it does just go to no throughput at times.

I'm probably not actually making O2 much profit considering I use more data now (although I don't call or text) but at least O2 hasn't moved to the stupid fixed price increase per year, RPI works out cheaper. The new system is arguably more expensive and I think it would be more reasonable doing a 30p increase for under 2GB, 60p for 2-15GB, 80p for 15-40GB, £1 for 40-80GB, £1.20 for 80-500GB, £1.50 for unlimited data (although even then, it still makes virtually no sense considering it should be based on the price of your plan... I have unlimited data for £7.37 on O2).
 
How was O2 even like before? I joined O2 in May 2023 and I only used O2 PAYG with no credit prior to that.

When you're not looking at speedtests all the time, O2 is fine but it does really frustrate me that B1+20 is standard here still. Hopefully in the coming months, B1+8+20+n28 should be standard because it does just go to no throughput at times.

I'm probably not actually making O2 much profit considering I use more data now (although I don't call or text) but at least O2 hasn't moved to the stupid fixed price increase per year, RPI works out cheaper. The new system is arguably more expensive and I think it would be more reasonable doing a 30p increase for under 2GB, 60p for 2-15GB, 80p for 15-40GB, £1 for 40-80GB, £1.20 for 80-500GB, £1.50 for unlimited data (although even then, it still makes virtually no sense considering it should be based on the price of your plan... I have unlimited data for £7.37 on O2).
Ultimately O2 still works fine for things like basic web browsing, google maps and such. The issue I think would be if tethering, using it for stuff like netflix, or OCD knowing that the underlying service is not of a great standard even though things are working on the surface.
 
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EE Need to fix there Website as I get a blank page stuck on the upgrade to and on the page what-do-you-want-to-do-today.

Also no discount codes work on the site anymore.
 
How was O2 even like before? I joined O2 in May 2023 and I only used O2 PAYG with no credit prior to that.
I've been on O2 for years, was PAYG until 2013 and have been on pay monthly since then. I guess it is hard to tell how much they've changed when I've also changed my phone and data usage over the years, but it does feel like in the last 1-2 years things like app updates (I use Aurora and F-Droid and update manually) take longer. I feel like this crept in a bit and it wasn't until I read about the swelling subscriber base after the VM merger that I twigged it might be down to that.

Having said this I've now tested EE whilst sat at my desk at home (where I spend most time with my phone I'd say) and doing a speedtest it comes out almost identical to O2 at around 34Mbps so maybe EE wouldn't make too much difference after all. The 4G signal ranges between 1 and 3 bars (this is on an iPhone 12) and on O2 I'm usually on 3 bars (Fairphone 4). I was also expecting 5G on EE as various coverage checker websites say I should get it but that hasn't happened - maybe my EE PAYG SIM doesn't come with 5G?
 
I've been on O2 for years, was PAYG until 2013 and have been on pay monthly since then. I guess it is hard to tell how much they've changed when I've also changed my phone and data usage over the years, but it does feel like in the last 1-2 years things like app updates (I use Aurora and F-Droid and update manually) take longer. I feel like this crept in a bit and it wasn't until I read about the swelling subscriber base after the VM merger that I twigged it might be down to that.

Having said this I've now tested EE whilst sat at my desk at home (where I spend most time with my phone I'd say) and doing a speedtest it comes out almost identical to O2 at around 34Mbps so maybe EE wouldn't make too much difference after all. The 4G signal ranges between 1 and 3 bars (this is on an iPhone 12) and on O2 I'm usually on 3 bars (Fairphone 4). I was also expecting 5G on EE as various coverage checker websites say I should get it but that hasn't happened - maybe my EE PAYG SIM doesn't come with 5G?
EE PAYG is 4G only and capped to 25mbps
 
Ultimately O2 still works fine for things like basic web browsing, google maps and such. The issue I think would be if tethering, using it for stuff like netflix, or OCD knowing that the underlying service is not of a great standard even though things are working on the surface.
Until you go to a place that has reasonable footfall and the data experience is horrendous if they don’t have a DAS.

They’re excellent for voice. Data in airports, train stations, forget it.
 
EE PAYG is 4G only and capped to 25mbps
Oh! Well that explains a few things - and I guess makes my experiment a bit broken. My speedtest did keep crashing half-way through when it was on 34 but I guess it would have dropped down if it had completed properly?
 
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Oh! Well that explains a few things - and I guess makes my experiment a bit broken. My speedtest did keep crashing half-way through when it was on 34 but I guess it would have dropped down if it had completed properly?
I'm not sure tbh but probably. I haven't tested EE PAYG, but with some mobile speed caps you can seemingly go past the cap slightly, before then being slowed down.

What app did you use to test? speedtest.net is the most accurate. Avoid fast.com
 
I'm not sure tbh but probably. I haven't tested EE PAYG, but with some mobile speed caps you can seemingly go past the cap slightly, before then being slowed down.

What app did you use to test? speedtest.net is the most accurate. Avoid fast.com
It was speedtest.net, I was using Safari and it kept crashing towards the end and recommending the app but I was a bit suspicious it was doing it on purpose to force the app on me! I tend to avoid downloading apps unless I have to and I'm always getting steered towards them, there must be a reason for that!
 
I'm not sure tbh but probably. I haven't tested EE PAYG, but with some mobile speed caps you can seemingly go past the cap slightly, before then being slowed down.

What app did you use to test? speedtest.net is the most accurate. Avoid fast.com
Speedtest isn’t always accurate, depends on the server and how many users are testing their speed at the same time as you.
 
It was speedtest.net, I was using Safari and it kept crashing towards the end and recommending the app but I was a bit suspicious it was doing it on purpose to force the app on me! I tend to avoid downloading apps unless I have to and I'm always getting steered towards them, there must be a reason for that!
The app will probably be more accurate than the website, but totally understandable if you don't want to use it.

Speedtest isn’t always accurate, depends on the server and how many users are testing their speed at the same time as you.
True! I use the BRSK London server, seems to give me the lowest latency and no speed issues.
 
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