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Fibre logistics for Dummies please?

FedUpMark

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Cutting a very long story short.........part of my village (130 houses) has Fibre to the home, the fibre cable runs down the main road just a few metres away from the unconnected part of the village (70 Houses), is it really that complicated/expensive to get all the rest connected to it, or am I oversimplifying things?

Thanks in advance
 

Mark.J

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It would help to know which village and which operator is involved? My guess is that the deployment is part-funded by state aid and so there's probably a cap on the level of subsidy. In other words, some parts of the village may, for whatever reason, be a bit too expensive to connect and so end up being skipped until a later phase.
 

baby_frogmella

Regular Member
Cutting a very long story short.........part of my village (130 houses) has Fibre to the home, the fibre cable runs down the main road just a few metres away from the unconnected part of the village (70 Houses), is it really that complicated/expensive to get all the rest connected to it, or am I oversimplifying things?

Thanks in advance
Openreach can't just 'break' fibre willy-nilly to start serving those it passes. A good analogy: think of a motorway which passes behing your home yet the nearest motorway junction is 10 miles away. Would the highway authorities build a new junction just to serve your home?
 

sheephouse

Regular Member
The fibre connection to each house goes back to an aggregation point which can be a very long way away - in my case 11 miles, despite the fact that I have multiple fires running just past my house. In the case where you have 70 houses missing out it could be worth looking into a Communty Fibre Partnership - it will need some leg work to get everyone (or as many as possible) on board, but with that number it may not cost too much. In my case with just half a dozen properties it wasn't viable unfortunately.
 

Badem

Casual Member
There could be a number of reason, most FTTP builds are done on a CAB by CAB area, so the fibre running past those 70 could be connecting a CAB to the POP/Aggregation Point. The planned entry point to those 70 could be via the other end of the street.
It could also be due to Private Road, Wayleaves or unsuitable surface the prevents the install, without the specifics of the location we can only offer vague guesses.

I have seen an entire neighbourhood bypassed as the main feed into the area was via a bridge owned by Network Rail who refused consent for the fibre to be installed, so approx. 100 properties ended up without FTTP while everyone else does
 

FTTP Farm

Member
> most FTTP builds are done on a CAB by CAB

That is true for the Fibre first rollout, but for BDUK which is what the OP is likely talking about is done differently. Openreach only do the houses that they are paid to do and will skip houses that you would logically think would cost almost 0 to do. I assume the same would be true of Gigaclear if they ever deliver any of their contracted areas.

Its simply as others say the BDUK only paid for those houses to get FTTP as likely FTTC speeds on the other passed the threshold at that time; note they might end up getting FTTP in a new BDUK phase if they don't meet the current 20m limit.
 

sheephouse

Regular Member
BDUK pay the difference between the amount a commercial company is assumed to be prepared to pay and the actual cost - "gap funding". If the cost of a connection is close to 0 then it will be left to a commercial rollout.
This does produce (often small) pockets of properties that don't get covered by either BDUK or commercial rollouts.
 

FedUpMark

Casual Member
Thank you that has answered my question about just breaking into the existing fibre line, I hadn’t realised each property has its own line back to the exchange, I just knew that had FTTH.

I said it was a long story short, but for further info on our situation. The village is Cocking in W Sussex, the bulk of the village had FTTH installed by BT as part of W Sussex ‘better connected’ project. It was on the basis that BT said it wasn’t commercially viable to connect the whole village (200 houses) but it was viable to connect our end of (70 houses) with FTTC even though they all join one another with no physical divide.
BT had submitted notification to the local Planning Authority with images and photos of the new green cabinet and placement etc, it seems more out of courtesy as it was allowed under permitted development anyway. At some point BT pulled out of connecting our end of the village apparently saying it was no longer viable (I smell a huge rat here, but thats something I’m taking up with the council).
To a Laymen as myself, none of it makes much sense as all the village phone lines come of the same cabinet about 1km away, why ddn’t the Council scheme and BT just put in a fibre cabinet and be done with, even if it topped out at 20Mps it’s infinitely better than the 1-3Mps we get now!

Sorry, bit of a rant!
 

ManOfMeans

ULTIMATE Member
I doubt very much the fibre is back the exchange per FTTP line the quicker OR can aggregate it on to the same physical cable but then VLAN it out the better.

The less optics it will need the better cost wise.

What part of the town are you in I can see its fairly small, if you want to PM me your postcode and house number I Will see what I can find out from OR if you like.

I do think you are mixing up technologies here though because FTTC is fibre to the cab and copper from there, on a 1km FTTC line you should see about 10-20 (I think) but Ive not looking at DSL in detail for quite a few years. FTTH is fibre to a agg point which is typically a green cab as well. Where it is the same physical cable back to the exchange is copper ADSL where you are getting the 1-3 meg now.

Have you spoken to your ISP on what options you have?
 

FedUpMark

Casual Member
It would help to know which village and which operator is involved? My guess is that the deployment is part-funded by state aid and so there's probably a cap on the level of subsidy. In other words, some parts of the village may, for whatever reason, be a bit too expensive to connect and so end up being skipped until a later phase.
It just makes no sense as the fibre line has to come past our house to service the other ones. I've attached a map to give an idea of teh craziness, the pink is us with barely 1-3Mps and teh grey is either on already or has the option of FTTP.

I should add that the exchange (Midhurst) is North of us and the one runs down the main road heading south, passing our houses.
 

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FedUpMark

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I doubt very much the fibre is back the exchange per FTTP line the quicker OR can aggregate it on to the same physical cable but then VLAN it out the better.

The less optics it will need the better cost wise.

What part of the town are you in I can see its fairly small, if you want to PM me your postcode and house number I Will see what I can find out from OR if you like.

I do think you are mixing up technologies here though because FTTC is fibre to the cab and copper from there, on a 1km FTTC line you should see about 10-20 (I think) but Ive not looking at DSL in detail for quite a few years. FTTH is fibre to a agg point which is typically a green cab as well. Where it is the same physical cable back to the exchange is copper ADSL where you are getting the 1-3 meg now.

Have you spoken to your ISP on what options you have?
Sorry I may be get muddled with the terminology, its been a steep learning curve theses last few days! But 2/3 of the village either has or the option of FTTP, while we have barely 1-3Mps.
Open Reach say the only option for us is a community scheme which we've now just applied for.
 

ManOfMeans

ULTIMATE Member
Sorry I may be get muddled with the terminology, its been a steep learning curve theses last few days! But 2/3 of the village either has or the option of FTTP, while we have barely 1-3Mps.
Open Reach say the only option for us is a community scheme which we've now just applied for.

Looking at your area, a housing estate the Croft?

The problem there is the poles go through gardens and putting fibre in that run would cause a large civil works along the road instead.

I am going off google maps which is from 2010 I have just noticed
 

FedUpMark

Casual Member
Looking at your area, a housing estate the Croft?

The problem there is the poles go through gardens and putting fibre in that run would cause a large civil works along the road instead.

I am going off google maps which is from 2010 I have just noticed
We're the property on the main road north of the Croft. From what I understand FTTP can also be done with the last part from the pole, so no digging involved. It still wouldn't explain why logistically its any different here to the rest of the village.
 
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