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For the multi-gigabit deniers

You forget that social media has made *everyone* a content creator these days.

Democratising the creation of 'content' - urgh - has meant that upload speed has become more important. Getting that tiktok or reel online *quickly* is key. Being able to share at speed is important to a lot of young people. And this is the thing, the younger consumer will want it.
True but a lot of that upload happens on people’s phones and outside their homes so not over their home WiFi. But yes people do care how long it take ato upload their latest Instagram story…
 
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I wonder how much consolidation between alt nets will happen this year.

For my parents and others that I know who spend little time on the internet, speed isn’t the issue. Cost and reliability. Would I recommend a 1000/1000 service to them based on speed. Not in a million years. Two family members are served fine with the base BT and Sky ISP products.

One family member has reliability issues due to being in the countryside. Stable connection first please.

I’m not interested in Virgin’s top package due to price. 500/50 will do me @£23pm. I have a lot on the network with no issues and buffer bloat under control.
I don't think much consolidation will happen this year, but once the dust settles and there is 90%+ FTTP coverage in the UK, then I expect a lot of consolidation to happen. There is precedent for this in many countries. I'm on Community Fibre, I would be surprised if they were still around in 5 years, but I hope I'm wrong.

Curious, how did you get Virgin 500/50 for £23?
 
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I don't think much consolidation will happen this year, but once the dust settles and there is 90%+ FTTP coverage in the UK, then I expect a lot of consolidation to happen. There is precedent for this in many countries. I'm on Community Fibre, I would be surprised if they were still around in 5 years, but I hope I'm wrong.

Curious, how did you get Virgin 500/50 for £23?

I put in my 30 days notice, I had a number of missed calls and conversations with their whats app team. Their UK retentions team called me on a Saturday and we basically discussed deals. Nothing exciting to report there I'm afraid.

Bit like my departure from Vodafone, I'd been a customer since Vodacom days, didn't even get a call from their retentions.

Toob are building in my area, so will hopefully tie in nicely with contract end at circa the end of the year. Again, don't need it, but price wise it's another negotiation. pfsense/opnsense as FW and decent wifi setup, job done.
 
Just finished reading comments of the link above. So many deniers. So many "I don't need more than XXX, you don't need it either". I would really want to meet all these not for me/no for you people. I would love to visit their houses and throw away all the stuff they don't need because I can't see any use for it or I don't need. I can also make sure they are "not wasting their money" buying things they are never going to fully utilise. I will start by reducing the water presure and water flow, to maximise their water usage. Who needs all that water pressure and flow right? What a waste!!!
 
Just finished reading comments of the link above. So many deniers. So many "I don't need more than XXX, you don't need it either". I would really want to meet all these not for me/no for you people. I would love to visit their houses and throw away all the stuff they don't need because I can't see any use for it or I don't need. I can also make sure they are "not wasting their money" buying things they are never going to fully utilise. I will start by reducing the water presure and water flow, to maximise their water usage. Who needs all that water pressure and flow right? What a waste!!!
I do find the whole “I’m fine with this so you should be too” arguments annoying but I’m probably someone in the middle. The arguments for faster speeds do get a bit sparse the faster the speeds go. However I’m all for the speeds being available.

My 1Gbit connection is about 7 weeks old. Has the novelty worn off ? Yes. Have I also researched building a 2.5gbit home LAN? Also yes.
 
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My 1Gbit connection is about 7 weeks old. Has the novelty worn off ? Yes. Have I also researched building a 2.5gbit home LAN? Also yes.
Bring it on Kris! And don't go for 2.5Gb, 10Gbit is the way to go for future proofing. Found this nice 10Gb switch today:

https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/45302-aruba-jl805a/

Good price for what it gives you, it's so hard to find 10Gb switches with lots of RJ45 10Gbe ports as these use a lot of power/CPU. Probably a bit too bulky for most but for me size is not an issue as I have space to stash it. The only thing missing is PoE++.
 
I do find the whole “I’m fine with this so you should be too” arguments annoying but I’m probably someone in the middle. The arguments for faster speeds do get a bit sparse the faster the speeds go. However I’m all for the speeds being available.

My 1Gbit connection is about 7 weeks old. Has the novelty worn off ? Yes. Have I also researched building a 2.5gbit home LAN? Also yes.
Who's saying that? No, it's @GreenLantern22 telling people what they need, not the other way around :p is how I interpret the thread anyway.

Fibre is better for Ethernet but the issue is all the existing RJ45 equipment and especially all the Cat5e/6 in everyone's walls. It's very rare for developers to put fibre in walls, I feel like even twisted pair cables weren't common until around 10 years ago.

I expect some consumer Ethernet-over-fibre standard to emerge in 5-10 years since currently it's still enterprise-ish and confusing for consumers. And then you'll see something like a "next-gen" "Ethernet cable" that will be bidirectional fibre with a standardised connector and port, and transceivers directly built into switches, motherboards, etc. But it's going to take a lot to dethrone RJ45 in the consumer space.
 
Then this is the beast for you:

https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/41313-ubiquiti-usw-pro-aggregation/

Twenty-eight (28) 10Gbps SFP+ ports.
Four (4) 25Gbps SFP28 ports.

I'm moving house soon, it's either that or this as a distribution layer switch: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs518_16xs_2xq

Most of my network is unifi right now, but the router is a CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS, so has 12 10G SFP+ ports and 2 SFP28 ports. I have found that switching performance isn't quite as great as I would like as it's a router, so will add a switch.
 
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I'm moving house soon, it's either that or this as a distribution layer switch: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs518_16xs_2xq

Most of my network is unifi right now, but the router is a CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS, so has 12 10G SFP+ ports and 2 SFP28 ports. I have found that switching performance isn't quite as great as I would like as it's a router, so will add a switch.
Yeah your CCR has no switching capabilities in hardware at all, all software, so not the greatest for that. You'd be wanting a 2216 if you wanted some kit that'd do it all.

I have a CRS518 here and it's fine. Way more SFP28 ports than I'm going to need any time soon and as I use leaf and spine my port density requirements aren't high in any one place. 👌
 
I'm moving house soon, it's either that or this as a distribution layer switch: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs518_16xs_2xq

Most of my network is unifi right now, but the router is a CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS, so has 12 10G SFP+ ports and 2 SFP28 ports. I have found that switching performance isn't quite as great as I would like as it's a router, so will add a switch.
Mind me asking what you use your internet at home for?
 
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While I have a multi-gigabit domestic service myself, it should be noted that current peak usage averaged over a home user base is not much over 10Mbit per subscriber. I wouldn't expect that to grow past

Openreach, sadly for us enthusiasts, have determined accurately that the maximum return on investment comes from GPON at the moment as it meets the vast majority of domestic customer needs.

The only place they are likely to feel competitive pressure for higher speeds is from VM, I suspect that is the driver behind the 1200/120 and 1800/120 products. They've done enough to stay competitive until VM's XGSPON is widespread and the premium segment demands services greater than 2000 down. The first will take a while, the second will take longer.

If you take generous estimates of 15Mbit current average peak and 25% sustained year on year growth, average peak doesn't exceed 100Mbit until 2030. Openreach can still support that on 32-split GPON.
Pretty much this.
 
Loving the VM move on symmetric. Strange world when VM is teaching Openreach a lesson in technology use!
I think VM have for years. Cable has been typically ahead of DSL, OR have gained a temporary sort of advantage with FTTP rollout, but this rollout still skips many VM areas, and is only temporary until VM's XGS-PON is done.
 
I think VM have for years. Cable has been typically ahead of DSL, OR have gained a temporary sort of advantage with FTTP rollout, but this rollout still skips many VM areas, and is only temporary until VM's XGS-PON is done.
They may have had a speed advantage for years but certainly did not have good latency or reliability.
 
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