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Government plans! Is this invaiding our human rights.

Should the Government force you to show passport and build a DPA of all your calls??

  • Yes I agree with the survailance planned.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes I agree to showing identification to buy a phone but not the surveilance planned.

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • No this would invade our freedom and human rights.

    Votes: 11 73.3%
  • I Don't know have no views on surveillance.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't care about showing passport to buy but disagree with surveillance

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    15

Kits

ULTIMATE Member
Today the Timesonline has posted news that the government plans to make you have to show your passport to buy a mobile phone...

Everyone who buys a mobile telephone will be forced to register their identity on a national database under government plans to extend massively the powers of state surveillance.
Phone buyers would have to present a passport or other official form of identification at the point of purchase. Privacy campaigners fear it marks the latest government move to create a surveillance society.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4969312.ece?Submitted=true
 
It's not clear from that article but I hope what they actually mean relates to buying the sim/connection for the phone. There is a huge market for unlocked sim-free phones and many devices come with sim-slots/phone capabilities even though that is not their primary function. So I suspect they don't mean the phone so much as the PAYG/SIM package that comes with it.

To be honest I think PAYG SIMs have been a huge security hole for awhile, a lot like anonymous dialup offering ISPs. Sooner or later it was going to have to be tackled but naturally it won’t solve the problem, criminals will just register with other people’s details.
 
Next thing we'll need an ID card to use a coin box landline phone. If we can find one working.
 
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they already do it on toilets some places, it wont be long til they do it to phones LOL
 
The people of Britain need to start caring soon and do something about this madness, I think a revolution is in order ;)
 
sadly from the petition l used to have in my signature very few ppl give a rats until its too late.. "the it wont happen, its just a silly rumour made by stupid ppl to scaremonger" well lve got news for them, stupid ppl are running the country! so they better start making a fuss about the increased criminalisation of normal ppl in the name of finding terrorists.. it wont help they will just plan somewhere where they dont have a national database of our daily toileting and browsing habits.
 
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sadly from the petition l used to have in my signature very few ppl give a rats until its too late.. "the it wont happen, its just a silly rumour made by stupid ppl to scaremonger" well lve got news for them, stupid ppl are running the country! so they better start making a fuss about the increased criminalisation of normal ppl in the name of finding terrorists.. it wont help they will just plan somewhere where they dont have a national database of our daily toileting and browsing habits.

I think the word is 'conspiracy theorist'.

Well I get called that a lot.

Bet many dissenters in Nazi Germany did as well... :rolleyes:
 
I couldn't care less about having to register phones - there are far more important issues than that - although I agree with Mark.J that it won't achieve much either.

In no particular order: the govt super database, the Phorm cover-up, the ANPR deployment allowing police to view all details of all journeys, the email/web records database, the almost complete lack of decent security surrounding our data........I'm sure I've missed a few, but you get the idea.

The only thing that would annoy me about having to register PAYG handsets would be if the govt sold/lost the list of users and their details. You can imagine the 'targetted adverts' text storm that would happen.

I think the word is 'conspiracy theorist'.

Well I get called that a lot.

Bet many dissenters in Nazi Germany did as well... :rolleyes:

No - they were just shot.

Uh oh....hope I haven't just given our govt any ideas......


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Summary - I can't take part in the poll, because I don't care about showing passport etc when buying a phone, but do car about the calls database.
 
I couldn't care less about having to register phones - there are far more important issues than that - although I agree with Mark.J that it won't achieve much either.

In no particular order: the govt super database, the Phorm cover-up, the ANPR deployment allowing police to view all details of all journeys, the email/web records database, the almost complete lack of decent security surrounding our data........I'm sure I've missed a few, but you get the idea.

The only thing that would annoy me about having to register PAYG handsets would be if the govt sold/lost the list of users and their details. You can imagine the 'targetted adverts' text storm that would happen.



No - they were just shot.

Uh oh....hope I haven't just given our govt any ideas......

People would react if they tried to push this all through too fast so they do it in small steps.

We have gone from being free to being locked up for use of free-speech.
 
hence what l said before, they are gagging the media! yeah it maybe stated on the bbc website and a few others, as lve stated before "who goes to read the news just for the technology pages like myself?" plus that coupled with the promise of better protection against terrorism.. they think they have it made too few ppl see this as criminalising the general public with a veil of "you are gilty until proven innocent!" granted l see the ideal behind their plans but this takes away all privacy that we currently take for granted which our government should be protecting and whats more l dont believe the government are competent enough to keep our personal lives private which they have proved again and again.

as a final statement "a central database is a bad idea, all our information in one place is a bad idea, as a story stated on the BBC data is a toxic liability which in the wrong hands could be very damaging as true security is no obtainable"
 
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hence what l said before, they are gagging the media! yeah it maybe stated on the bbc website and a few others, as lve stated before "who goes to read the news just for the technology pages like myself?" plus that coupled with the promise of better protection against terrorism.. they think they have it made too few ppl see this as criminalising the general public with a veil of "you are gilty until proven innocent!" granted l see the ideal behind their plans but this takes away all privacy that we currently take for granted which our government should be protecting and whats more l dont believe the government are competent enough to keep our personal lives private which they have proved again and again.

as a final statement "a central database is a bad idea, all our information in one place is a bad idea, as a story stated on the BBC data is a toxic liability which in the wrong hands could be very damaging as true security is no obtainable"

The government itself didn't become like this randomly, this has been a coordinated assault on liberty in the UK for the last 300 or so years. The people behind all this have been around for over 2 millenia. So we are dealing with a very organised, knowledgeable, powerful foe.

Not just the UK though, we have no bill of rights unlike the US or other countries, so either a (political) regime change or a complete overhaul of the system (drive economy into the ground) would be required to get rid of the US Constitution.
 
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