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Maurice Snell · Aug 9, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by <Beebop>:
Avoid Telecom Plus like foot & mouth, they are completely unprincipled spammers.<hr /></blockquote>Although your post hardly constitutes reasoned argument or even constructive criticism, may I respond by suggesting that if you have indeed been "spammed" by a representative of the company, you report such UCE to them directly.

Like most responsible organzations they take a very dim view of such things and will take appropriate action against the individual(s) involved.

<BT Employee Of The Year> · Aug 11, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maurice Snell:

That is not my intention at all. I am just suggesting that people should look very carefully at their call patterns before assuming that BT's "free" calls option is of benefit to them.

Using the figures you quote yourself, a customer pays an extra £5.00/£6.00 per month extra to get 'free' local calls at evenings and weekends. The point is that £5.00 would pay for over 9 hours worth of such calls during the month. Therefore the calls are not free until you have used that much call time.

If you regularly exceed those sort of hours (parents of teenagers probably do :-0) then it is worth looking at. I don't believe the company make this at all clear to people which is why I use the term "confusion advertising".

Hit a nerve I guess.<hr /></blockquote>No nerve hit, just correcting your blatant lies.

You deliberately quoted BT line rental charges higher than the actual cost.

Your quote: "The basic line rental £9.99 + vat = £11.74 per month"

Actual charge for basic BT line = £9.50 including VAT

Your quote: "The BT Together package costs £14.99 + vat = £17.61 per month"

Actual charge for BT together with unlimited off peak local calls = £14.50 including VAT

Common sense would tell somebody that if their local off peak calls & line rental combined exceed £14.50 per month BT Together with unlimited local calls offers a great deal, if not they could either use BT or an alt telco, one that doesn't charge a monthly fee.

The "confusion advertising" is done by people like you, claiming to be a 'satisfied' customer in order to flog a service, a service with hidden charges.

<BT Employee Of The Year> · Aug 11, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJToltec:
Your best bet as far as I can tell for any provider is Telewest. Take their £25 package which gives you all Local/National calls all the time<hr /></blockquote>Fine if you're at home all day & usually spend more than £15 per month on local & national calls, not so great if you're at work during the day. For off peak calls BT (& ntl) offer the best deal, better than Telewest who don't offer an off peak package.

ntl line rental & off peak local calls = £13.99
BT line rental & off peak local calls = £14.50

ntl line rental & peak UK calls = £17.99
BT line rental & peak UK calls = £18.50

Telewest line rental & 24/7 UK calls = £25

<BT Employee Of The Year> · Aug 11, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maurice Snell:

Like most responsible organzations they take a very dim view of such things and will take appropriate action against the individual(s) involved.<hr /></blockquote>Individuals such as you?

Would I trust a Telecom Plus 'satisfied customer'?

No chance..

Check the Google archives, Telecom Plus spammers exposed...

<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Telecom%20Plus&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&lr=&hl=en" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Telecom%20Plus&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&lr=&hl=en</a>

<BT Employee Of The Year> · Aug 11, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by <BT Employee Of The Year>:

ntl line rental & peak UK calls = £17.99
BT line rental & peak UK calls = £18.50
<hr /></blockquote>that should be off peak, wouldn't want to get into the Telecom Plus 'satisfied customer' habit of trying to mislead people.

ntl line rental & off peak UK calls = £17.99
BT line rental & off peak UK calls = £18.50

Dan · Aug 11, 2002

Telwest offer free local cable to cable calls (to about 6 ish area codes near you) off peak on all standard packages

<BT Employee Of The Year> · Aug 11, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maurice Snell:

I haven't looked back since I joined them and I am a picky customer

<hr /></blockquote>A picky customer or a cunning salesman?

WHAT'S IN THIS FOR YOU?

Referral Marketing:

Telecom plus is marketing and distributing its products and services exclusively through Referral Marketing and a network of independent representatives called networkers.

Networkers are offered a business opportunity whereby they introduce customers and other representatives or networkers to the company who would in turn also introduce other customers and networkers.

The Networker then earns weekly bonuses and monthly percentage commissions on the turnover of the representatives and customers they personally introduce to the company, and the turnovers of other representatives and customers
introduced to the company by the others in their group.

Be very careful...

<BT Employee Of The Year> · Aug 11, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dan Bayliss:
Telwest offer free local cable to cable calls (to about 6 ish area codes near you) off peak on all standard packages<hr /></blockquote>Only after 8pm (2p from 6pm to 8pm) & not much good if you're making a local call to a BT line or a ntl line (Telewest & ntl both operate in the 0151 area ).

The bt (& ntl) off peak packages include unlimited calls to all landlines whether they be bt, ntl, telewest or any other cable co.

<Happydude> · Aug 11, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by butler:
looking at the website, it appears that with ntl there is a connection charge of 4.6 p per call. this could soon add up if yopu made lots of short calls. Please tell me if i am wrong as ntl will possibly enable broadband here quicker than bt !! I am urrently using bt for phone calls and the only improvement i would need is a peak time deal !!<hr /></blockquote>4.9p on all calls except for freephone, fixed fee & operator calls etc. Their unlimited call plans incur no charge for the first 60 minutes of each call. Unlike Telewest, ntl & BT don't currently offer a peak time inclusive call package.

There are several alt Telco's that can be used on a ntl line (co-op, totalise, tiscali etc.) minimum call charge from 1p (BT 5p). Be wary of for newsgroup / forum spammers like Telecom Plus who charge a monthly service charge of £1.76 plus minimum call charge of 3.5p

Maurice Snell · Aug 12, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by <BT Employee Of The Year>:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maurice Snell:

I haven't looked back since I joined them and I am a picky customer

<hr /></blockquote>A picky customer or a cunning salesman?

WHAT'S IN THIS FOR YOU?

Referral Marketing:

Telecom plus is marketing and distributing its products and services exclusively through Referral Marketing and a network of independent representatives called networkers........

Be very careful...<hr /></blockquote>1) Network marketing is a perfectly legitimate way for a company to do business. The company we are talking about are as bona fide a PLC as the others mentioned on these boards.

2)Yes I do act as a representative as well as being a customer - yes I do get paid for the business I introduce. There is nothing "cunning" about it or me. I give people a means of contacting me if they so wish. Commissions are paid to individuals and companies every single day in all walks of life & business. I don't know of many people who work for nothing.

3) I cannot speak for other representatives or their methods.

4) The board discusses alternative telephone service providers and this is just one alternative some people may wish to consider - whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant. These days customers have a choice and as with all things they should shop around to get the best deal for their circumstances.

Trading insults with anonymous users of a board serves no useful purpose as far as I am concerned.

Maurice Snell · Aug 12, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Be wary of for newsgroup / forum spammers like Telecom Plus who charge a monthly service charge of £1.76 plus minimum call charge of 3.5p<hr /></blockquote>Put in context TP are a multi-service provider who offer people savings on a lot more than just their telephone charges. Telephony customers can enjoy very competitive gas and electricity rates for example.

All I'm saying is that people should look at the overall package on offer. Everyone's circumstances/usage are different but for many people they could be a very good alternative.

<BT Employee Of The Year> · Aug 12, 2002

Originally posted by Maurice Snell:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Yes I do act as a representative as well as being a customer - yes I do get paid for the business I introduce. There is nothing "cunning" about it or me. I give people a means of contacting me if they so wish. Commissions are paid to individuals and companies every single day in all walks of life & business. I don't know of many people who work for nothing.
<hr /></blockquote>You posed as a 'satisfied customer' to sell a product & gain some commission.

You failed to declare your seedy involvement with Telecom Plus.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
The board discusses alternative telephone service providers and this is just one alternative some people may wish to consider - whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant. These days customers have a choice and as with all things they should shop around to get the best deal for their circumstances.
<hr /></blockquote>You cannot offer an unbiased view, you have a financial interest in the company your trying to sucker other into joining.

You deliberately lied about the cost of BT line rental & it's unmetered packages, grossly inflating the price to make the rip off Telecom Plus charges look better.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Trading insults with anonymous users of a board serves no useful purpose as far as I am concerned.<hr /></blockquote>Did I hit a raw nerve?

I'd rather be anonymous than a dodgy salesman pretending to be nothing more than a customer.

You failed to declare your financial involvement with Telecom Plus

You failed to mention the hidden charge incurred with Telecom Plus, £1.76 per month.

You failed to make clear the 3.5p minimum charge, others have a 1p minimum charge.

You are trying to sell a product, not offer an unbiased view about the best value alt. telco for BT or cable customers

markmc999 · Aug 12, 2002

bt employee of the year does more to discredit BT than any other person on this board.

we only have to look at the sad lengths BT will go to to make themselves look even 1/2 decent!

oh well

Maurice Snell · Aug 12, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mark Mc:
bt employee of the year does more to discredit BT than any other person on this board.

we only have to look at the sad lengths BT will go to to make themselves look even 1/2 decent!

oh well

<hr /></blockquote>I'm glad not everyone who reads this board thinks that I am an agent of Satan <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

<Happydude> · Aug 12, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mark Mc:
bt employee of the year does more to discredit BT than any other person on this board.
<hr /></blockquote>His posts are so OTT that they're obviously made in jest, totally different from some conman trying to entice others to sign up to his service to make a fast buck.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mark Mc:

we only have to look at the sad lengths BT will go to to make themselves look even 1/2 decent!
<hr /></blockquote>I'm not aware of BT management or equity holders posing here as 'customers' & making false claims against other Telecom providers. If you have such evidence I suggest you report them, If you have no such evidence I suggest you keep your unsubstantiated comments to yourself

<Happydude> · Aug 12, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maurice Snell:

I'm glad not everyone who reads this board thinks that I am an agent of Satan <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>No, not an agent of Satan. You're just a conniving little conman, failing to declare your personal involvement in the service you're trying to flog.

I would complain to Telecom Plus about you but no doubt they'll do bugger all about it as they seem to rely on spammers like you.

It's a pity you cannot be more honest to begin with, why wait until you were exposed before coming clean?

Newsgroups are full of Telecom Plus 'representatives' like you, lying through their teeth, posing as customers or even would be customers to try & drum up business.

markmc999 · Aug 13, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by <Happydude>:
I'm not aware of BT management or equity holders posing here as 'customers' & making false claims against other Telecom providers. If you have such evidence I suggest you report them, If you have no such evidence I suggest you keep your unsubstantiated comments to yourself<hr /></blockquote>welcome back BT Employee of the Year

yes we actually have had the proof before in the past but never mind

markmc999 · Aug 13, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by <Happydude>:
You're just a conniving little conman, failing to declare your personal involvement in the service you're trying to flog.

I would complain to Telecom Plus about you but no doubt they'll do bugger all about it as they seem to rely on spammers like you.<hr /></blockquote>god you really do talk some s*ite dont ya?

and TP cant do that good a job with there supposid spamming - cause ive never even heard of em!!!

Jackie · Aug 13, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Armengar:
I will be one of the few people actually moving from telewest to BT. I cant get cable modem even though I have Telewest cable TV and Telewest phone line.

It will be cheaper for me to have a BT standard phone line rental and have Sky TV with the family package.

Since ADSL is enabled then I will have a crack at getting ADSL too.<hr /></blockquote>Is there a price difference in having Sky direct or having Sky with BT ?

[ 13.08.2002, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: Jackie ]

<Happydude> · Aug 13, 2002

and thats 2 messages I will edit for abuse

[ 14.08.2002, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: Mark Mc ]

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