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Huawei swap-out in UK has become a costly and tortuous slog

The trouble is that systems these days are so incredibly complex, and have so many dependencies. They are certainly full of flaws (mostly unintentional, maybe some covertly added). There's no way to eliminate them, but plenty of bad actors looking for them and exploiting them.

When I started with 8-bit computers in the late 1970's / early 1980's, the OS was a few kilobytes of ROM and you could understand the whole thing top to bottom. These days, even a "hello world" binary typically takes 1MB+, and an OS is 10GB+

On top of this, you add BIOS software, FPGAs and custom silicon in high-end routing equipment, the management backdoors intentionally installed in CPUs by the likes of Intel, and cache timing attacks.
yes it's always going to be a sort of best-effort type thing. but it's good to have teams who check these things. work with the vendors if possible. even if we trust them, there can still be flaws people exploit. The Germans do the same too, they have teams checking all vendors equipment. Rightly so I think.
 
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Huawei was already banned from the core network before the RAN ban. My understanding is there's much less security risk with just RAN, and so the true reason for the ban was because of US political pressure, not national security.

It's a shame because Huawei RAN is the best so this has delayed our 5G rollout and made our networks worse than they would've been.

A better reason to ban Huawei would be because of their ethical and human rights issues.
 
literally nobody in this thread said this.
point was there's no evidence of any wrong doing by them. And we went with Huawei and paid a lot of money for the kit then we started to rip it out because of Trump. But im repeating myself. What happens if one day Trump says Ericsson is bad?

There's plenty of evidence of wrongdoing. To deny the facts is silly.
 
In terms of a national security threat? What have you found that both GCHQ and the Germans haven't?

Do you think a company being a chief contractor to the Chinese government and having its founders be CCP and found guilty of spying isn’t a security threat.

Presumably you’d allow the Iranians or the Russians to be involved in our network too
 
Do you think a company being a chief contractor to the Chinese government and having its founders be CCP and found guilty of spying isn’t a security threat.

Presumably you’d allow the Iranians or the Russians to be involved in our network too
Didn't seem to be a threat when they purchased it. So do you have evidence of the wrongdoing or not? In the context of national security. You said there's plenty. I would respectfully ask to see it.

If it is such a big problem, why did they buy it in the first place?
 
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For the official line, have a look at reports issued by NCSC:



Also, keep in mind that not all information, research and findings are in the public domain...
 
Didn't seem to be a threat when they purchased it. So do you have evidence of the wrongdoing or not? In the context of national security. You said there's plenty. I would respectfully ask to see it.

If it is such a big problem, why did they buy it in the first place?

Because UK foreign policy was to support the Chinese rather than oppose them.
 
For the official line, have a look at reports issued by NCSC:



Also, keep in mind that not all information, research and findings are in the public domain...
Yeah I've seen most of them. But it's interesting it wasn't an issue at the time of purchase and only became a threat when Trump said so.
Being subsidised by the Chinese state probably meant their equipment was cheaper than from its competitors?
It absolutely is cheaper. But I'm sure they did their research and did a security evaluation before committing to purchasing it. I also doubt that our intelligence services were not aware of their CEOs past. They did years of security tests and found nothing. Then trump says no and it became a threat.

But I'm going to politely duck out now. Unless someone has evidence they found them actually doing something wrong. In which case I'll read it and if I'm wrong I'll admit as such. I'm not above being wrong and I don't think it's wrong for me to wonder why it wasn't an issue and then became one when the US said so.
 
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Even more so than normal, the Chinese army guy who founded Huawei put up about $5k and the Chinese state about $75 BILLION in cash and subsidies iirc.

It was the ultimate state subsidised business…
This is their way and it worked great.
 
Ooopppsss..

Linux Kernel 6.1, but you will see largely the same thing for all kernels since before 2010 ..

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At least 117 employees working on the Linux kernel ... :oops:

Source:

Oooppss...

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Source:

and many many more links if anyone is interested in Huawei

Dumbest discussion ever, it's a <not made in the US of A> dispute initiated by a rogue US president looking to win cheap points with his maga base..
 
Dumbest discussion ever, it's a <not made in the US of A> dispute initiated by a rogue US president looking to win cheap points with his maga base..
It honestly seems to me that the whole maga thing is just upholding the partriarchy of racism, white supremacy and all that of years back.

I can't see anything good that is coming with it honestly. Everything seems to just get worse to an utter failure with it
 
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Until USA said not to..
In the past, the West supported and invested in China, hoping that prosperity would lead people to fight for natural rights and ultimately transform China into a free and democratic country.

This experiment has been running for 30 years and it has utterly failed. With Xi Jinping's rise to power, he purged any opposition within the party, removed term limits, and performed ethnic cleansing against minorities.

Now everyone has realised that China will never be a friendly state to the West (at least in the foreseeable future) and is more likely to become a hostile state. Decoupling from China is a natural response.
 
I would say it's much better to reduce our reliance on China sooner rather than later. Germany has decided to remove Huawei equipment, and by dragging it out, they now face higher costs from removing more kit.
 
Why not just let them become depreciated with new technology?

It used to be the case that you had either a Huawei or ECI cabinet for FTTC. Just upgrade to FTTP and let the Huawei cabinet turn to dust.

Why spend hundreds of millions to swap out those cabinets for something else when the time and money can be better spent just rolling out FTTP in those areas.

The cabinets have been there for a decade or more. If they had secret Chinese spyware on them they'd done what they needed by now.
There is no intention of replacing Huawei FTTC cabinets.
 
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