GreenLantern22
ULTIMATE Member
There are so many things wrong with what you say that I think most people just give up. For a start the same study you quote says in its Abstract:Asking me to debate a random "flat earther" on Twitter is not remotely serious, please get back to me when you've decided what parts of the article are incorrect or offend you.
"National cultural dimensions appear to moderate gender differences in interests beyond the influences of national gender inequality. Specifically, gender differences in interests in people (versus things) tend to be larger in countries of higher uncertainty avoidance and higher indulgence whereas gender differences in ideas (versus data) tend to be larger in countries of higher indulgence, uncertainty avoidance, and lower power distance. This study highlights how a better conceptualization of the influences of culture can inform vocational psychologists, gender studies researchers, and career counselors’ work with men and women in understanding their vocational interests."
What this is saying that culture is having an impact on people's choices. Then we have the nature vs nurture argument, which is almost imposible to scientifically prove since we will have to clone two humans and raise them differently to see what choices they make. We have lived thousands of years with a male dominated society, things are not going to change that quickly. Also do you think the Telecoms industry is welcoming to women with all the old school dinosaurs and "bro" culture?
The purpose of the study is not for you to take it out of context and use as backing for your stereotyping, but as the article says to inform vocational psychologists. If you had a daughter what would you want her to do with her life? Work with people as the study says? Would you actually tell her she has no chance with "things" and should give up? Do you not see that by stereotyping you are paiting everyone with the same brush even though like you said "Some women will have more of a "things" preference than others"? Why can't you let people decide what they want to be without you first putting them in some classification? How would you feel if you were the odd one out and got told you don't belong and that you can't do that job because most men prefer that other thing? How do you think women in technology and not in technology would feel if they read what you posted? Would your mother/sister/wife/daughter like it? Since you like studies I am sure you are aware that girls do better at school than boys do. Perhaps we should tell all our boys to give up studyng and go back to labour jobs, after all girls are better than boys at school!
Now to your argument of discrimination. If a woman were to have an interview with you for a Telco job what chance will she have to get the job if you already made up your mind about all women? Do you really think you could interview a woman and have no bias thinking like you think? Don't you see that people like you will hire more people like you and that is not good for any company? Since you love to look for studies go and read all the benefits that a diverse workforce can bring to a company. It's not just equality, it brings many other things. It's not discrimination if you are trying to balance things out. You make it sound like the child that cries because the mother gave the brother/sister a toy because you got the previous one. Men, and in particular white men, have won it trillion times before and statistically have better chance of getting on with life. So it's right to help the ones don't have it so easy to balance things out.
In this day an age it's sad having to bring the discusion to this level as you would asume most people have understood the basics of why we need to move forward. I have done my best but I presume you are only going to see what you want to see. That is how the internet works these days, the echo chambers only reinforce your beliefs, rather than allowing you to see the other argument and put yourself in someone's else shoes.
Finally consider this: most people that are caught being racist/sexist/homophobic say that they are not racist. They say they didn't mean that way, that it was a joke, that they have black/women/*** friends etc. It's always the same excuses. They just can't see it. They can't deal with the fact that's who they are. That maybe it's not the majority of the society that's wrong, but them. And since I made you many questions here is the last one: What if you are wrong? What if you are showing prejudice, stereotyping, discriminating against women? Have you considered the impact of your actions and mistakes?























