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Labour Ban Pasturised Milk !!

Gordon Brown has been milking us all for years, with his sneaky stealth taxes.

The thread title was a bit OTT, as it appears Labour havn't banned UHT.;)
 
Personally, after seeing how some milking cows are kept and the process of them basically given hormones to artificially increase milk production, coupled with the potential health detriments of drinking cows milk (parkinsons, cancers), i only use cows milk in tea, whereas i used to drink it by the glass.

you have no idea... before saying nonsense do some proper research, not once have l heard of anything outside research institutes being as close to what you said and that never goes into the food chain, what you just mentioned there would cause an uproar if it were true which is not.

l could name quite a few things used drugwise (which l wont do because it would take a while to remember some of them) but in general most are antibiotic based or just give them a boost when ill, and example would be using calcium when they have milk fever which has to be injected under the skin.. (generally happens after they have given birth if it happens) there are other things but ou are sorely mistaken if you think cows are pumped full of hormones.. for god sakes they arnt crops.

no offence to anyone, however ppl have too little knowledge these days of whats around them and take little heed to many things especially now when in perspective to precautions.. worst part of that at the moment is the fact we have daily arguments with pedestrians who are using the footpaths that go through the farm.. why? because we are within 20miles of the foot and mouth outbreaks and no one who has ever walked through the farm has ever dipped their feet.. honestly tho, as a generalisation the average brit doesnt give a crap about the farming industry as long as there is food on their table and most are misinformed and believe they are above rules when it comes to footpaths and precautions for rough times such as these.. just fyi the two farms that l help out at have lost at least 5000 in the last two months alone due to not being able to buy and sell cattle and calves all they are doing now is eating money by the tonne.
 
you have no idea... before saying nonsense do some proper research, not once have l heard of anything outside research

honestly tho, as a generalisation the average brit doesnt give a crap about the farming industry as long as there is food on their table and most are misinformed and believe they are above rules

I wasn't going to reply, a) because this thread had a relaxed feel to it initially, and b) as you obviously feel emotional about the issue and are bringing emotion into your posts which is not to any of our benefit; but i'm in a lose-lose situation after being insulted for giving my personal viewpoint.

Whilst i appreciate and enjoy good discussion and debate, i only do so when mutual respect is granted to all parties, irregardless of personal stance or circumstance.

Just because one hasn't heard of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You in one sentence speak condescendingly to me telling me to do some research and in the same sentence say that you haven't heard anything about it outside of research studies (thus implying that you don't attribute much if any stock to it; and by proxy you wouldn't accept as worthwhile any research that i have read either anyway).

One only needs to do a simple internet search to see reams of articles that point towards multiple long term, large scale studies showing an increase in, for example, the incidence of Parkinson's and heavy pasteurised milk consumption. Similarly there are numerous studies showing an increased risk of cancers both in men and women. There are studies linking cow's milk consumption in young children to insulin dependent diabetes. I have read about it and even my own Dr's advice is not to drink much cows milk.

I did not state that in the UK hormones are artificially injected. The hormone is banned in Canada and Europe. That does however happen in other parts of the world, specifically the USA.

Irregardless of use of the artificial hormone in the UK or not, i still do not believe that it is positively healthy to be promoting and drinking a foreign species' breast milk which may have some significant health risks.

There is no medical or nutritional necessity to drink pasteurised cows milk. Why choose to drink something which is not natural for us while we can gain calcium, for example, and in fact every single other nutritional benefit from milk can be gained elsewhere.

Just two little quotes as i get the feeling that if i start showing 'evidence' it may be countered by something else. Im not a scientist, i simply think that for something which is unnatural and has possible risks..its not needed.

Two decades ago, scientists at Cornell University pioneered studies of treating dairy cattle with injections of natural bovine somatotropin (BST). Work by researchers there and elsewhere showed that the hormone alters how cows use nutrients—causing them to divert more of their energy intake into milk generation rather than growth. Indeed, early studies in New Zealand had shown that cows that naturally produce more milk than others in their herd do tend to secrete more of the natural form of this pituitary hormone. Cows now getting a genetically engineered version of the hormone typically produce at least 10 percent more milk than other cows do.

Critics of rBST ask why so many U.S. dairies choose to inject their livestock with the engineered hormone when the nation is already experiencing a milk glut. The answer, agricultural economists say, is that dairying doesn't offer farmers much profit. So any treatment that allows dairies to get hundreds to thousands more gallons from a herd each year looks mighty attractive.

The results show that at 3 months of age, infants who had been fed cows' milk had a significantly higher immune response to bovine insulin than did infants who received the other formula or were breast fed, the authors reported. The groups showed no differences, however, in reactivity to human insulin at that age.

"Our observations raise the issue of whether oral exposure to foreign insulin plays a role in the autoimmune process leading to type 1 diabetes," Dr Paronen and colleagues wrote. It could be that in some predisposed children, early exposure to cows' milk could trigger an immune reaction to insulin.

"The initiation of insulin-specific T-cells by dietary insulin in the gut immune system may carry a risk for an autoimmune process progressing ultimately to clinical type 1 diabetes," they concluded.

Naturally these are all research studies, and even if some of them even come from the BMJ, i wouldn't expect you to think them of much consequence.

Rather than arguing however, instead I suggest simply that our mothers milk, when we are babies, is an incredible food for us. It has growth hormones as babies need. Pasteurised Cows Milk, is no comparison in terms of its value to us as humans, yet it also has growth hormones, for baby cows.

Any food which is not natural to our bodies and in fact is rejected by most humans bodies, and additionally has potential risks, shouldn't be promoted as being this perfect substance, just because it can be mass produced, packaged, sold, stored and consumed. Would i merrily guzzle away at this foreign breast milk (that is what it is) and feed it to my babies if i had any? No, i don't see the need to do so.
 
l was just stating the fact, on another note l had planned update the fact that nothing un-natural hits the food chain, in short any cow thats medicated especially with antibiotics will be removed from the tank.. and if antibiotics are found or any other abnormality then the whole silo will be dumped.

on a side note l agree our bodied cannot handle milk as well as they would have done as babies, however maybe l did come over a bit harshly but in perspective to that l half expected many flames back... yes its happened before when others were not informed of certain facts in that case the thought they knew it all... l dont pretend to but lve spent my whole life around farms so lve picked up a little which seemed on topic for this thread.
 
nothing better than that.. straight from the cooler on a hot day after they have been milked theres no better taste, thats what l call proper full cream milk..
 
this country has gone mad !!!!

i so so so am going to emigrate

havent they just added tax to pup quizzes ?
and there going to tax you for putting your rubbish out !!!!!!
 
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and there going to tax you for putting your rubbish out !!!!!!

Actually, in some places they do.

In the areas that are covered, the more you put out, the more you get charged. You get 2 bins, one for recycle stuff and one for rubbish (for landfill), if you have to put more than this out then you pay per bag or weight, cant remember which.

Not a bad idea tbh, but they shouldnt be charging for it when its already covered in your council tax.
 
I know plans were afoot to "chip" bins and charge by refuse weight. I'll probably burn my rubbish if that happens around here :eek:

I guess as orgainic waste contains a lot of water which makes it very heavy and processed stuff comes in light plastic packaging it will encourage people who can't compost their waste to buy more pre-processed and frozen stuff and cut down on fresh veg. That should help boost global warming.
 
we have to deal with our own rubbish, currently lodging complaints with the counsil because the bin men wont pick up our rubbish the worst part of it tho si we are still having to pay for the pickup.. all because they say the bags are too heavy, the week they complained about that some asses dumped some rubbish outside our drive, whats more it was industrial waste, its one of those things that needs to be made illegal, regular dumping is but dumping of rubbish in someones drive way to try and catch the bin men in order to get around the industrial waste things shouldnt be forced on someone else.
 
Talking of rubbish......

On his rounds, Milky finds a note in the top of an empty milk bottle: “Milky, please leave a lot of milk today – thanks”
Not knowing how much to leave, Milky knocks on the door and asks the lady of the house how many pints she wants left.
Lady says shes not sure, but needs enough for a bath because she’s heard that a milk bath would be really good for her skin.
“Okay Mrs” says Milky, “do you want it pasteurised ?“
“oh no” came the reply, “up to my waist will be more than enough.”

Yes okay, Christmas cracker jokes have come round early this year.

The thread title was a bit OTT, as it appears Labour havn't banned UHT
You're quite correct 'Inactive', the title is very misleading and incorrect.
Perhaps Bob was just trying to float an idea about milk.;)
 
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the week they complained about that some asses dumped some rubbish outside our drive, whats more it was industrial waste, its one of those things that needs to be made illegal, regular dumping is but dumping of rubbish in someones drive way to try and catch the bin men in order to get around the industrial waste things shouldnt be forced on someone else.

Surely that would be regarded as fly tipping, which I thought is already a criminal offence. The problem is that the owner of the property they dump it on has to pick up the tab, which I don't think is fair. Still if they dumped it outside your drive, on a public path or road it is the councils responsiibility to deal with it at their own cost.
 
well the place we live at the moment is on a farm however the owner is a tenant farmer the council owns it, however while what you say is true theres little we can do while we are sleeping and the council have told us even tho we dont own the place that we have to pay more because they think that we make what they consider industrial waste (or at least thats what the letter dictates, plan to take it further because what they have said shouldnt be directed at us because we live here and dont own the farm we just work on it.)
 
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