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Long reach ADSL areas of effect?

I moved to my house thinking it was in an ADSL area only to discover that on the ADSL test hit red every time. Is there any way of telling whether the long reach trials will affect where I live? BT page as usual gives me the paragraph I have came to know and hate with a red loathing and I would be interested as to the opinion of the more experienced users as to whether its worth even continuing to look for DSL.

I was told to go talk to other people on my connecting streets to ask if they had managed to get broadband however it would appear The Internet is something that has passed this area by unfortunately. Either that or no one will admit to owning a computer.
 
Actually never mind, I decided to engage my brain and read a couple of other threads. :) Found the answer I needed I think and I will badger the hell out of the line checker for the next few days.
 
Or send a email to BT CEO Ben Verwaayen asking for his help. Explain your areas lack of BB interent. I have his email address if you wish to email him just PM for it and please do not post it in any open forum.
 
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For Telephone Number 01984640xxx on Exchange WASHFORD

Your exchange will have ADSL broadband by 9th March 2005.

Our initial test indicates that it is VERY UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband service due to the very long length
of your telephone line. However, your order will be accepted if you still wish to order. An engineer may need to visit who will, where possible,
supply the broadband service. It is currently not possible to provide the 1Mbps or 2Mbps ADSL broadband services.

We are continuing to work with the modem manufacturers and the broadband industry to try and find alternative solutions.

Thank you for your interest.

Note: Our records indicate that a line-sharing device is connected to your line. This is the reason that the checker has returned this marginal
result and may mean that Broadband could not be delivered on this line. Further investigations would be necessary as part of the ordering
process to confirm whether or not you could receive Broadband service at this address. This could result in a delay to the provision of
broadband at this address.

Thats me stuffed then.
 
pessimist said:
Thats me stuffed then.

You never know your luck. What's the possibility of leeching off a neighbour's connection with a wireless point-to-point link if you fail the engineer's visit ? :)
 
Pessimist

'Note: Our records indicate that a line-sharing device is connected to your line. This is the reason that the checker has returned this marginal
result and may mean that Broadband could not be delivered on this line. Further investigations would be necessary as part of the ordering
process to confirm whether or not you could receive Broadband service at this address. This could result in a delay to the provision of
broadband at this address.'




Sounds like you have DACS, they will have to remove it to test the line properly but it will currently have a detrimental effect on the line so its worth a try. Even if you are not able to get BB you should request BT to remove your DACS as it will restrict you max download on dialup to 30k and be very unreliable, they should now remove this as a matter of course if requested unless it is very expensive due to an Ofcom ruling.
 
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Thanks for the replies. This is not the end of the world as I currently have wireless, I was just interested for backup purposes.

@Bob2002 There is no chance of leeching from a neighbour - we are all in the same position. I don't think extended reach means this extended.

@Kommando. I think you are right about DACS - I've already had them remove it once while I was using dial up. Since then a neighbour has had a new line installed so I guess they've re-installed it.

Dontcha just love BT
 
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Do you know how far you are from the exchange?, or what the db level of your line is? if an engineer has visited already before the extended reach, does that mean they have already tried those methods to get you connected, it may be worth asking them.
 
About 10k "as the crow flies". No idea how long BT's bits of wire are. The situation here on Exmoor is further complicated because we have a lot of aluminium wire rather than copper. I believe this further increases line noise.

No chance of an engineer yet - the exchange is not scheduled to be enabled until next year.

As I said earlier I do have wireless and was looking at this as a potential backup
solution. I was also curious how extended "extended reach was". I got the answer I expected.
 
olblue said:
I moved to my house thinking it was in an ADSL area only to discover that on the ADSL test hit red every time. Is there any way of telling whether the long reach trials will affect where I live? BT page as usual gives me the paragraph I have came to know and hate with a red loathing and I would be interested as to the opinion of the more experienced users as to whether its worth even continuing to look for DSL.

I was told to go talk to other people on my connecting streets to ask if they had managed to get broadband however it would appear The Internet is something that has passed this area by unfortunately. Either that or no one will admit to owning a computer.


BT have as of today removed the Limits for 512Kbs & changed the limits for 1Mbs. The BT checker now reflects this changes. So try your number again.
Its possible not all ISP's will be upto date on this yet.

http://62.172.198.79/broadband1/
 
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pessimist said:
Tried this morning. The message is from BT's own line checker.


Best bet is to place an order when the exchange is enabled. Nothing you can really do untill then
 
I also get the 'very unlikely' message. My handful of attempts at 17070 back when it was operational yielded results between 7.5 and 8.25km, which is apparently far enough to prevent us getting ISDN.

I've tried a few more local numbers to see what happens - the pub about half a mile down the road (in the direction of the exchange, obviously) receives the same message, whereas a house about another quarter of a mile further down may apparently be OK subject to an engineer visit.

If at most 8.25km of wire lies between me and the exchange it can't possibly be more than 7.5km for the pub, a mere 1.5km beyond the previous limit with RADSL - a major improvement, of course, but hardly fitting into my definition of 'removing the distance related limits'.

Does it sound as if I'm not in with a chance at all? I'm currently paying an obscene amount of money for a satellite-based community wireless broadband connection with horrendous packet loss for reasons they've yet to identify, but I'm stuck in the contract for another five months, so it would be good to at least know whether I have something to look forward to at the end of it.
 
Somehow I doubt it. BT and HMG have always been long on promises and a tad short on delivery.
 
mr_d said:
I also get the 'very unlikely' message. My handful of attempts at 17070 back when it was operational yielded results between 7.5 and 8.25km, which is apparently far enough to prevent us getting ISDN.

I've tried a few more local numbers to see what happens - the pub about half a mile down the road (in the direction of the exchange, obviously) receives the same message, whereas a house about another quarter of a mile further down may apparently be OK subject to an engineer visit.

If at most 8.25km of wire lies between me and the exchange it can't possibly be more than 7.5km for the pub, a mere 1.5km beyond the previous limit with RADSL - a major improvement, of course, but hardly fitting into my definition of 'removing the distance related limits'.

Does it sound as if I'm not in with a chance at all? I'm currently paying an obscene amount of money for a satellite-based community wireless broadband connection with horrendous packet loss for reasons they've yet to identify, but I'm stuck in the contract for another five months, so it would be good to at least know whether I have something to look forward to at the end of it.

If your exchange is enabled you should now be able to get 512Kbs (As long as you don't have TPON. ISDN or any other non compatable service on the line) There is no limit now for 512Kbs and BT will try to get it working on any line length.

What is the BT Wholesale Checker stating for your number now(It has only been updated with the new limits today, do not rely on ISP's checkers they may well be wrong.)
 
Web Buddy said:
What is the BT Wholesale Checker stating for your number now(It has only been updated with the new limits today, do not rely on ISP's checkers they may well be wrong.)
That message is new as of yesterday, whenever I've checked my number in the past (including a few days ago) it's always said that I can't receive ADSL due to the length of my line. Which, of course, was true then.

According to a post from a moderator on another forum, the 'very unlikely' message by no means precludes the possibility of receiving ADSL, so I will probably go ahead and order either soon or when my existing contract expires. It'd just be nice to find out without having to place an order and presuamably proceed with it immediately rather than in 6 months if successful...
 
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