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looking for an isp with out phone bt fibre....

been looking around and it seems that if you want supafast fibre not (bran flakes) you have to go with their phone company too only one i have found at moment is plusnet but punished with £81 setup fee :cool:
it would be mainly for gaming, d/ling, streaming the odd movie and online gameplay,mobile phone usage in a house of 4

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Plusnet is a BT company.

If you cannot get Virgin cable, or Kingston, then a BT line is all you can have.
 
Have a look at IDnet, I think they do the phone side of things with just line rental NO CALLS.

So if a package there meets you requirements you might be lucky.
 
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Can you clarify what you're actually looking for? In reader your first post it sounds like you want FTTC/P (fibre broadband) without having to also take line rental? I'm not 100% sure if you mean line rental in general or the ISPs own specific line rental / home phone product?

Sadly all of the BT based FTTC solutions tend to require line rental, although most BT based ISPs allow you to take the line rental itself from another operator (so long as it's not a fully unbundled provider). Meanwhile most of the big unbundled (LLU) providers (TalkTalk and Sky Broadband) only offer it as part of a bundle with their own home phone service.

PlusNet is BT based but to get the best price they will of course ask you to bundle their own Home Phone service.
 
If you don't take line rental and want a free connection then your choices may be somewhat limited to more expensive but higher quality providers like Zen Internet or Claranet Soho, which is because most aren't currently offering a free connection (Openreach don't have such a promotion running for standalone offers right now).
 
equally while lve no idea about providers who offer deals which DONT include line rental.. l do know through certain cashback sites you can make back the connection fee.

in fact lm with Sky and signed up through topcashback and the cashback amount lm due in about a few weeks now is about £80.80 which will cover my connection fee of £50 with some extra.. there is however a deal going its labelled Sky Fibre Unlimited - 3 Month half price

the current cashback amount is still around £80 and while its annoying to wait l suppose it covers the cooling off period otherwise they would loose money.

as for the technical side of things you do have to take out sky line rental which is slightly cheaper than bt the connection imho has been rock solid.. and lve only had about 1hr of downtime (around 4am one morning) since lve been connected (which was around the beginning of december).

heres my speed at the moment:
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usually l get around 34meg but l guess lm hitting some slight congestion however the speed is still nothing to snarf at as lm still getting a gig in under 10mins if l push the connection.
 
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I would of suggested Sky too but the OP has said he's looking for a standalone solution.
 
indeed, problem is last l checked they all pretty much want you on their phone tariffs as well.. and in either case your locked into BT as far as lm aware if your on any other hardware or services (like in my case which "was" BT basic) it will require moving to a compatible platform..
 
right im really looking for non connection fee's with fibre band and no phone included in package

We use Three 3G for our home broadband, there aren't any fibre options here, and it walks all over ADSL here both upstream and downstream.

It is however variable in speed (6 Meg to 12 Meg down, 2 to 3 Meg up) and latency (anything between about 30ms and 65ms), and the kit is specialised (roof antenna £120 + fitting £85, dongle about £69 and router about £40). While I dont play games the jitter isn't going to be great for that.

Since it's on PAYG every 7GB we use costs £25. It will stream movies nicely at high cost (for the data), but then we don't have access to any other options anyway which can do same so we just have to put up with it.

So it qualifies on the "standalone" option only. We don't have any line rental to pay as we don't need a phone line. But the sacrifices are too great for what you need.

The way DSL based broadband works is that it's basically an add-on to a phone service.

There is the option of a dedicated broadband circuit (see "EFM" or "leased line") but the costs will probably rule that out as well (think hundreds to thousands per month)

Paying phone line rental will be cheaper. If the phone line here could manage 6Meg downstream I'd go with that instead and put up with the pitiable upstream speeds.

£81 setup is fairly cheap. Virgin Cable often does free setups (if you take a phone line too...)
 
The way DSL based broadband works is that it's basically an add-on to a phone service.

£81 setup is fairly cheap. Virgin Cable often does free setups (if you take a phone line too...)

Agreed on all your points. I know the line rental is a major pain, esp if you have a mobile contract as well, and use the mobile for most calls. On the subject of Three I had a monthly contract with them from 2008 to 2012 costing 7.50 (later 8.00 /month) for 15 GB of data (which I fully used) but had stinging cost if it was ever exceeded. I started a mobile contract in Feb 2012 with them and was hitting 20-30 GB a month (yes, tethering can work even on non-One Plan accounts, but not recommended!) They could do no sensible deals to keep me as a customer this year so I switched but feel they generally offer good value for money.

As MarkJ pointed out, the customer can generally take any phone line service with some ISPs but Sky and TalkTalk bundle it together (and can be a pain to move away from afterwards).

To get a phone line installed free (instead of 125 quid) then BT sometimes offers free install, but you are tied in for 18 months and have to make a number of calls/month (or they charge more) and now that line rental is about 15 quid it's not a very cheap option. You cannot use their "line rental saver" option (more of which later) until after the 18 months.

Primus offers a new line for 59 quid and does line rental from about 8 quid (monthly payments) without the "line rental saver" that Plus.Net and BT offer ... which seems an underhand way to avoid the customer switching - in most cases OFCOM has blocked telecom firms charging their standard monthly fee for the phone if you cancel - they are no longer paying Openreach for the line, so OFCOM says they can only charge reasonable rates of 2 to 4 quid a month.

BT and now Plus.Net charge their line rental fee monthly or offer the lower effective rate by paying for a year in advance, BUT there is no refund if someone cancels :mad: It means they get around 10-11 quid a month even if you cancelled after 6 months.

Primus just charges a low fee (but at the very lowest bundle have no "inclusive" calls) so it's the cheapest that I've found. Of course it's a bit of a trade off - if you get Plus.Net on both broadband and line rental they don't charge the Fibre setup (they only charge 49.99 for a new phone line so still a bit lower than Primus). If you use Primus for the line not only do you pay the Primus setup fee but Plus.Net charges the fibre setup. However, the line rental being lower may mean a saving after several years !

Even when Sky say they can install for free, their charges can go as high as 105 quid - I was asking because I wanted a second line for fibre to be installed and checked many ISPs and options. Many offering cheap/free install will bundle their broadband too (and therefore are no good if user wants Unlimited Fibre account from Plus.Net).

Oh yes, I actually moved house to Merseyside to have the option of Virgin Media, but this is one of the streets where they have no service ! Mind you, I've been with PlusNet for over 10 years, so when fibre is eventually here (in a couple of months instead of last September) I will see if I can get some deal from them...

Finally, must remember why there's a cost for the line... while some may get noise and break at times, the overall cost is for the fleet of vans and engineers, plus the upkeep of the exchanges, and free repairs when lines are broken by trees etc. So we all pay a few quid for the copper to be maintained and service (for 999 calls etc) to still work if the exchange loses mains power (there are big batteries and backup generators to provide the 80V for the thousands of lines, to give dialtone whatever else is going on).
 
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been looking around ... but punished with £81 setup fee
What were the charges ? Not sure if many ISPs are offerng any discounts for combined new line and FTTC, but as ISPR reported last November (?) Openreach is giving a discount until the end of June.

Openreach now charges 92 quid for setup, so when Plus.Net charges a setup fee they're absorbing some of the cost.

All depends what you have now... If you have a phone line, then switch rental to Primus for lowest fee, and just have to accept a setup fee for FTTC. It's not free to do, ias been needing an engineer to change the faceplate and install the modem, so there's manpower and equipment involved too. (I don't work for them, but can see why it has to cost something!)
 
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