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Market 1 & 2 victim ? Poss. good news, if you have / want BB & Anytime phone bundle

Market 1 & 2 victim ? Poss. good news, if you have / want BB & Anytime phone bundle

Can't do anything about the service (it's all Openreach) , but you should be able to cut the cost by up £3 p.m and, in some cases, get more usage. You may not need switch ISP if you willing to haggle. That's what I did :-)

It is a little bit complicated, so send me an email and I will give you the details and what to do.
Nothing more. It will be up to you do act by the deadline: 6th of July !

I won't misuse your email, will not even keep it,
unless YOU specifically tell me you would like to be involved in possible campaign to scrap the Market 1 & 2
'surcharge'.

Regards,
Martin
 
Perhaps you could offer a little bit more context here, are you promoting the launch of a new campaign or offering something else? It's a little confusing.
 
I started this thread purely to help Market 1 & 2 users to get better deal. It will help moderate users who have or want BB + anytime calls bundle, but that could be many, considering that apparently 22% are Market 1 & 2 victims.

It subsequently dawn on me that it would be an opportunity to see how many people feel STRONGLY enough to mount a campaign aimed at Ofcom to get rid this outdated classification.
Let's face it, the independent ISP's (O2/Be, Talk Talk etc.) are moving on to fibre (that's where the money is..), so our exchanges are now never going to get LLUed to Market 3 status. And we won't get fibre for years either !
Regards,
Martin
 
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I think one problem that you might have here is with the limited number of people who actually understand Ofcom's "Market" system in the first place. It's somewhat of a technical niche and only a couple of ISPs of any note actually use it (e.g. PlusNet). Indeed that's a crucial point to make; it's ultimately an ISP-side decision as to whether they adopt a general pricing model or one based specifically on market/location, Ofcom merely gives them the choice.
 
Are you paying more then £25 p.m. for your BB, anytime calls and line rental ?

Yes, you are right, but I hope people on this forum know about Market 1 etc. by now ?
Perhaps I should say: Are you paying more then £25 for your BB, anytime calls and line rental ?

On the other point: AFAIK none of the ISP's has adopted equal LLU and Market 1&2 pricing, because of the high Ofcom fixed fee that have to pay Openreach. If one did, they coud have stampede of customers, but probably lose money !
Regards,
Martin
 
Before I looked at saving money if market 1 or 2 best to check out the reliability of the person supplying the info. For starters I wouldn't go to save money on some ISPs looking at how some have been run into the ground by bad bushiness plans, then go into receivership but move to a new name and keep customers starting the wheel again.

ADSL is hard to move from if the ISP plays these games and customers cannot get hold of them to get the MAC code, jumping from your ISP for a few pounds could be a danger to your health.
 
As stated in the first post, you don't may need to switch ISP's, just haggle.
If they won't play ball, at least two very reputable ISP's will.
All I do is tell you how to go about it.
Regards,
Martin
 
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I find the idea you are suggesting of haggling and threatening obviously to leave if you don't get the deal some what illegal. Many ISPs have set charges that they have to pay for the service to your home there isn't always haggle room. The cost of cutting profit margins lower could result in offshore support I prefer to pay a little more and have UK support.

Pay them peanuts for the service expect monkies for support. is my moto.
 
For people who want in some cases very much faster speeds and cheaper costs, and who don't use their broadband that much, there may already be an alternative option they hadn't considered.. as below.
 
Are you paying more then £25 p.m. for your BB, anytime calls and line rental ?

For people who want in some cases very much faster speeds and cheaper costs, and who don't use their broadband that much, there may already be an alternative option they hadn't considered.. as below.

Can you get MBB with 10GB p.m. usage and unlimited* anytime calls (including 0845 numbers...!) for £25 p.m. ?
People on Market 1 / 2 exchanges, i.e. in rural areas, tend NOT to have good G3 mobile coverage either.
M
* redial after 59m
 
Every time I read this thread I get the scam feeling either you scamming members or us using this as a underhand way to get interest into a product you either get commission for. MPO is there is some ulterior motive for your posts here.
 
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I did say "don't use their broadband that much" :)

Unlimited (or near as, actually 1000 minutes) anytime calls with a landline number costs £5.90 per month with Sipgate and you can have it hunt (e.g. try your mobile if you're not at your PC)

All that of course, as you say, relies on having a decent signal. We get a 47% signal strength. As I suspect few use it, we get speeds well in excess of what our landline could manage (only 1.7Mbps downstream). You have to be fairly near a mast (2.5km here) and get decent reception. So it won't work for everyone. For rural market 1 exchanges, though, 3G can be the only way of getting broadband (my definition of that is 4Mbps+) at all.

I do see a growing number of people switching to 3G and getting rid of their landlines in a desperate search for some broadband performance. Here, the speed is the killer (of the landline), not the price.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with haggling, it's an art that only the British seem to have lost. I've been to asian country's where almost everybody haggles with providers over the cost of their phones, broadband and so forth. In the UK we only seem to haggle over car prices and everybody else just assumes that Price Comparison websites will give you the best deal and that no further action is required.

If you're with a big ISP then many of them will offer a lower price in order to keep you on their books, especially if your usage history is quite low. AOL UK , TalkTalk and Virgin Media all seem to do that. It won't work on smaller ISPs though. Haggling isn't illegal by any stretch, ultimately it's the ISPs choice whether it chooses to be flexible or calls your bluff :) .

Assuming it is a bluff. Most of the time when I've been offered a cheaper price it's already too late hehe and nothing will keep me.
 
Every time I read this thread I get the scam feeling either you scamming members or us using this as a underhand way to get interest into a product you either get commission for. MPO is there is some ulterior motive for your posts here.

I have admitted the motive in my second post: I want to get an idea of Market 1 / 2 customers and their attitude to being ripped off. There is a genuine opportunity to get lower price for that particular bundle, so, yes, I am using that as bait, but all I am after is overview of the situation.
 
Also making them fall into traps of long contracts on internet BT do give cheaper products for market 1 and 2 but tied to long contracts. A lot of smaller ISPs give better service on monthly contracts no hidden tie ins to longer contracts if customer wishes to leave but the charge is set for all exchanges.

Being trapped into a services with shoddy offshore call centres is being ripped off.

My investigations show there could be a more to this thread than our members are being told if you like I can move to PMs to mention my findings.
 
Are you paying more then £25 p.m. for your BB, anytime calls and line rental ?

1. I would not recomend BT to anyone.
2. Nor any ISP with foreign call entre.

Although original deadline has passed, the above deal is still available.....

Kits: Feel free to publicly divulge what your investigation (?????) has revealed !
Regards,
M
 
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As you say public:

I have noticed even though you say your ISP is plusnet all posts are on a brightview IP or hidden behind American IP addresses. To me this would say you are attempting to gain customers for Brightview or one of the many ISPs they swallowed up over the years and ruined.
 
As you say public:

I have noticed even though you say your ISP is plusnet all posts are on a brightview IP or hidden behind American IP addresses. To me this would say you are attempting to gain customers for Brightview or one of the many ISPs they swallowed up over the years and ruined.

ALL my posts are either via PlusNet or Orange MBB, I have no connection (in either sense) with Brightview.
M
 
BT bought Brightview a couple of years ago, and as BT also own PlusNet, I wouldn't be surprised if what *appears* to be a Brightview IP address is actually PlusNet due to BT reallocating things.
 
AHA !
Today Ofcom instructed BT/Openreach to reduce their wholesale price on Market 1 exchanges by 12% bellow inflation, starting mid August. No mention of Market 2 though.

Sounds good, but it's just a little step in the right direction.
(it would take REAL 50% cut to match Market 3 prices)

In fact it remains to be seen if the ISP's will reduce their prices at all.
So, we still need to haggle to get the best deal.
Martin
 
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