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neonplanet40

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Hi Folks, getting TalkTalk Fibre 500 installed on the 12th April. Openreach were here on Wednesday to bring to cable to the outside of the house so that it is really for the installation. I'm not particularly happy where it is going to come in. Basically it is due to come in one of two external walls in our living room which has a large static L shaped corner sofa. It's pretty hard to move this as you can imagine. The current copper masterplug is on the other side of the room via an internal wall.

But anyway, I have been looking at possibly having the ONT box (and anything else they need) installed on one of the sides of the sofa. It is beside a plug and has a clearence from the sofa of 10cm, but unsure if this would be enough?

The router is in the TV cabinet 2m away, so a simple ethernet lead can sort that out.

Thanks
 
Unfortunately the latest Openreach video and install checklist does not now refer to internal connectivity other than connecting to the router and testing one primary device.

However as a customer you should be able to dictate the future FTTP entry point. Many people have their current NTE in the hallway and often nowhere near a double mains socket. Whether OR are bringing in a new feed or using the existing duct they need to place it appropriately including internal optical cable if required. If that includes a flexible internal fibre connect cable to get the actual ONT installed in say an attached garage or hall cupboard so be it.

Obviously it is easier for the install (OR, VM or Altnet) to simply punch through a wall and use a 1m ethernet cable to the Router. But my personal view is that an FTTP install is a perfect opportunity to review the home network layout (ONT, Router, IoT hubs, switches, AP/Mesh, UPS etc) and not simply burden a living space with junk.

There is a difference in Standard and Premium OR FTTP install. Most ISPs will be requesting the standard one.

FTTP
For our standard installation, our engineers will:
  • connect an optical network terminator (ONT) within 1m of the nearest 13amp power socket and up to 10m from where the fibre enters the building
  • run any external cable needed to reach the nearest suitable fibre entry point.
  • connect your customer’s router next to the ONT
  • connect one device – a set-top box, PC, laptop or smartphone. They won’t connect games consoles, Wi-Fi extenders or mesh network devices, dongles or any other devices which are specific to a communications provider. And they must have been connected to the customers’ network previously.
  • upgrade a master socket to the latest NTE5c design if needed
For our premium installation, our engineers will:
  • connect an optical network terminator (ONT) within 1m of the nearest 13amp power socket and – if needed - more than 10m and up to 30m from where the fibre enters the building.
  • Run more than 15m of external cable to reach the customer’s preferred fibre entry point.
  • connect your customer’s router next to the ONT
  • connect up to three devices – a set-top box, PC, laptop or smartphone. They won’t connect games consoles, Wi-Fi extenders or mesh network devices, dongles or any other devices which are specific to a communications provider. And they must have been connected to the customers’ network previously.
  • carry out Voice Re-injection Installation (VRI), which uses existing internal wiring to make use of traditional telephones.
  • map Wi-Fi to help customers find the strongest signal
  • upgrade a master socket to the latest NTE5c design if needed

Please remember all kit needs to breath and must be accessible. I have seen too many charred devices such as Powerline adaptors behind furniture.
 
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Not easy to answer as it depends on the furniture design, i.e flat or sloping sides, whether air can circulate underneath etc. The gap sounds OK but convection needs to occur if not for the ONT the power adaptors.

I would discuss it with the installer before any holes are drilled.
 
Unfortunately the latest Openreach video and install checklist does not now refer to internal connectivity other than connecting to the router and testing one primary device.

However as a customer you should be able to dictate the future FTTP entry point. Many people have their current NTE in the hallway and often nowhere near a double mains socket. Whether OR are bringing in a new feed or using the existing duct they need to place it appropriately including internal optical cable if required. If that includes a flexible internal fibre connect cable to get the actual ONT installed in say an attached garage or hall cupboard so be it.

Obviously it is easier for the install (OR, VM or Altnet) to simply punch through a wall and use a 1m ethernet cable to the Router. But my personal view is that an FTTP install is a perfect opportunity to review the home network layout (ONT, Router, IoT hubs, switches, AP/Mesh, UPS etc) and not simply burden a living space with junk.

There is a difference in Standard and Premium OR FTTP install. Most ISPs will be requesting the standard one.

FTTP
For our standard installation, our engineers will:
  • connect an optical network terminator (ONT) within 1m of the nearest 13amp power socket and up to 10m from where the fibre enters the building
  • run any external cable needed to reach the nearest suitable fibre entry point.
  • connect your customer’s router next to the ONT
  • connect one device – a set-top box, PC, laptop or smartphone. They won’t connect games consoles, Wi-Fi extenders or mesh network devices, dongles or any other devices which are specific to a communications provider. And they must have been connected to the customers’ network previously.
  • upgrade a master socket to the latest NTE5c design if needed
For our premium installation, our engineers will:
  • connect an optical network terminator (ONT) within 1m of the nearest 13amp power socket and – if needed - more than 10m and up to 30m from where the fibre enters the building.
  • Run more than 15m of external cable to reach the customer’s preferred fibre entry point.
  • connect your customer’s router next to the ONT
  • connect up to three devices – a set-top box, PC, laptop or smartphone. They won’t connect games consoles, Wi-Fi extenders or mesh network devices, dongles or any other devices which are specific to a communications provider. And they must have been connected to the customers’ network previously.
  • carry out Voice Re-injection Installation (VRI), which uses existing internal wiring to make use of traditional telephones.
  • map Wi-Fi to help customers find the strongest signal
  • upgrade a master socket to the latest NTE5c design if needed

Please remember all kit needs to breath and must be accessible. I have seen too many charred devices such as Powerline adaptors behind furniture.
Do OR still fit a box on the outside wall where they splice the fibre, or do they now just run it from the pole straight through the wall into the house? If the latter, does that mean the previous ground-floor-only rule no longer applies?
 
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Practice changes but it is my current understanding that for non-New Build OR will install an external CSP box on the ground floor by default fed either from the pole CBT or underground. However they can enter the relevant floor e.g flat/maisonette particularly if the CBT is wall mounted on larger blocks. They then have a connector not a splice within the external CSP to a more flexible internal fibre cable which come in set lengths for the different installs. The spare fibre is coiled in the CSP.

For New Build the fibre goes via micro duct/conduit to a back box within the premises (was double but now single), connector added and the spare length fibre is coiled within the ONT enclosure provided. External CSPs are not always present.
 
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