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Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2005

KDS

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It's that's time for me to learn some few specialist skills, I been working on IT/networks like past 7+ years, but all what I done/do can be done, by some n00bs with basic computer knowledge and google :D. Nothing special about it.

So me thinking to learn C++ as I always good in maths and did some OO programming in uni (Eiffel) found it easy. it's just that job I have didn't require me to continue programming, so I stopped it.

I use both mac and PC so any thing I create I would like to use it on both machines. on windows side I hear lot of good reviews about Visual studios what you guys think I thinking to buy this academic editions as only £50 mac side i have to do use xcode I guess.

any ideas/thoughts ? any one done this ? any input will be welcomed.
 
I've heard good reviews for THIS free compiler, although i never did carry on with C++.

A few years ago, i decided to teach myself a programming language. I started with C++ but as a relative noob to anything other than Excel, i found it hard going so went for the easy option of VB6, which, in all fairness, is quite a powerfull language. A chap i once spoke to advised me to learn Java first and then C++ as (apparently?!) they are very similar languages although Java is somewhat simplified. He also recommended learning ANSI standard C++ rather than using "Teach Yourself In 24hr" type books because the books use too much MFC. As a none C++ coder, that's my advice fully stretched...
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thanks...

O never heard abt this should give it a try as well, It's only 9 mb :O

VB I don't know I never liked it It's just different to any thing I learnt before so not gone touch it. About java, all java apps too buggy on windows. It's even worse on macs. don't know why, OS X didn't actually brought the full Java support :(.

so what's ANSI standard C++ ?
I bought this book as the reviews were good on Amazon, got the delivery tomorrow. I'll soon find out :D
 
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Yeah, the reviews look good under that compiler but i've never used it and i don't know if it's MAC compatible.

ANSI standard is basically the FULL C++ language. For instance, some books will get you to use the templates (MFC) in Visual Studio to create a window with buttons, etc. ANSI standard means you will have to code every part of the window, including the size, colours, buttons, close, minimize, etc. It means more coding work but you have 100% full control of what your app does.

I quite like VB. You don't like VB. We're all entitled to our preferences.:nod:
 
Main reason I don't want to spend time on VB, as if I learn VB I pretty much stuck with it. Don't know what the future is 4 MS, but if i learn c++ I can (in theory ) move to c# or even java with out re-learning, (if that what my future job requires) . u know try to say.

I think the book I bought not Visual C ++ book so it's should be ANSI standard, I'll soon find out but the price I paid is noting. Tempered to go to them 5 day crash courses like this one but I will only spend this much, when I'm 100% sure that's what I wanted to do. so learning with books and web should be a good start.
 
Personally, i don't think those "crash" courses are all they're cracked up to be because it's too much at once. I would've learnt C++ but i was a noob and it seemed very complex at the time. VB wasn't "easy" but i soon got the hang of it. Also, you're learning to boost your career. I only code as a hobby which allows me to piddle about with gambling related stuff. Learning C++ makes more sense for you.

Good sources of info are source code sites such http://www.planet-source-code.com/, http://www.codeproject.com/ and http://www.cplusplus.com/main.html but also try eBay - i bought a CD full of PDF books for about £2. If you're planning on getting Microsoft Certified, try a search for "MCSE" on eBay...
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Disclaimer - I don't work in IT ... :rolleyes:

...I use both mac and PC so any thing I create I would like to use it on both machines. on windows side I hear lot of good reviews about Visual studios what you guys think I thinking to buy this academic editions as only £50 mac side i have to do use xcode I guess. ...

Java is popular and cross platform, and probably easier to learn than C++. You can use C++ for Windows programming but on the Mac the preferred solution uses Objective C. If you want things to run on both machines, given the different APIs, something that uses a virtual machine like Java or Mono is probably the best option.

...Main reason I don't want to spend time on VB, as if I learn VB I pretty much stuck with it. Don't know what the future is 4 MS, but if i learn c++ I can (in theory ) move to c# or even java with out re-learning, (if that what my future job requires) . u know try to say. ...

The future for MS is C#/NET although you can access the .NET framework using other languages e.g. C++, Python. It's true that once you learn one language others are often much of a muchness. Problem is when you change the language you often have to change APIs e.g. if you were moving from the Win32 API under C to C# using the .NET framework.

In addition to the sites PokerPlayer has listed (CodeProject is excellent) there is http://www.codeguru.com/ which has some useful forums and code snippets.

I suppose you're really looking for the most popular language, for your skillset, with the most job vacancies, but for something like network admin I suppose it could even be a scripting language rather than C++/Java/C#. :hrmph:
 
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do you want to specifically learn c++?


Java applications like azureus and even the Java IDE Eclipse itself takes up much more ram than using another language, mainly because of the virtiual machine. Of course, this only really applies if you are creating a full blown application, not some tiny script.

And VB6 has been replaced with VB.NET
 
Same, personally i wouldnt bother with .net unless its directly related to work.

btw can you get msdn for free (the one you can install)? i lost the cd and i dont always have a net connection
 
btw can you get msdn for free (the one you can install)? i lost the cd and i dont always have a net connection

THIS one is free from MS but May 2006 version so only works with the new .net stuff.

Having read several forums via a Google search, MSDN for VB6 was last updated in October 2001 and there are many, many people looking for it. I have it on 2 CD's which i downloaded several years ago from a *cough* torrent site.

Edit: how about saving the whole msdn web site to your hard drive? I know it's possible but i forget how...:confused:
 
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thanks guys, for the links and advices,what the deal with MSDN, when i went to the site the subscription it's some thing like £1000s :O,

I download the free VC ++ and still waiting 4 the book, I'll give it a try tomorrow.

I was thinking about MCSE too but in time i guess 1st i would give this ful push and see.
 
Yeah, one step at a time... ;)

I've never subscribed to MSDN and to be honest i don't see what the benefits are. I think it's aimed at large businesses who can phone up for instant help but of course they're paying for it. For users like us who have more time to use Google, there isn't much point.

This time next week you should have completed "Hello World". If not, you should consider a different language. :laugh:
 
This time next week you should have completed "Hello World". If not, you should consider a different language. :laugh:

lol yea, reading some stuff from the links, u guys posted It's all looking interesting, main thing is I shouldn't loose the stream. :)
 
Most difficult part will be working through your book without shooting off at a tangent, if you're like me. When i started about 3 years ago, i had one interest and one interest only - to build a poker robot. I skipped at least 50% of my book and dived straight into the areas that i needed so i'm weak on some stuff that others learn in their first few months. When i need to do something "new", i go to my fav VB forum, look up the best methods and away i go...

Having said all that, i'm pretty damn smokey at writing anything gambling related although i'm still working full time... :shrug:
 
You'll be trying to learn three different things at first - C++, the development environment, and the Windows API. So don't be surprised if it seems overwhelming ... :hrmph:
 
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You'll be trying to learn three different things at first - C++, the development environment, and the Windows API. So don't be surprised if it seems overwhelming ... :hrmph:

yea, I know it's will be hard, just trying to find my " destiny"
 
You'll be trying to learn three different things at first - C++, the development environment, and the Windows API. So don't be surprised if it seems overwhelming ... :hrmph:

just out of interest can you do c++ without an IDE? (like pascal, just code and output). If i just wanted to learn the syntax without messing around with the UI trying to figure out how to show an output for really simple lines of code.
 
just out of interest can you do c++ without an IDE? (like pascal, just code and output)

yea on console, using the concole tools, I done my "1st hellow world" lot of fun :P , I ended up using mac's xcode to compile it. the book I bought quite interesting just going step by step. so all good :)
 
is that book a "step by step" guide or is it like most books nowadays with a small syntax section and a whoppng big reference section for the thousands of methods and functions (my ruby book has 16,000, i dread to think what c++ has)
 
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