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Mobile Networks 5G Standalone Progress

Who do you think will have the best 5G Standalone network?

  • Vodafone

    Votes: 28 16.8%
  • O2

    Votes: 9 5.4%
  • EE

    Votes: 78 46.7%
  • Three

    Votes: 23 13.8%
  • Three / Vodafone (If Merger Permitted)

    Votes: 29 17.4%

  • Total voters
    167
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Getting B78 as well but with no data

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The real mystery is why iPhones as far back as the iPhone 12 are supported for 5G SA on various carriers in the US and elsewhere in the world, and yet Vodafone are dragging their heels on supporting them here in the UK.
It’s an absolute mess.

In the US, the 12 series all have standalone support exclusively on low band n71, no VoNR or any other bands. The 13 and 14 gain the other bands, but only the 15 supports VoNR

In China, the same 12 only has SA on mid band n78, no low band n28, or once again, VoNR. The 13 gains the other bands, but misses out on VoNR. Unlike the US though, in China the 14 and up support all three.

In Australia, the only iPhone to get any SA support at all is the 14 and up.

The fact this is all seemingly carrier driven is frightening.
 
It’s an absolute mess.

In the US, the 12 series all have standalone support exclusively on low band n71, no VoNR or any other bands. The 13 and 14 gain the other bands, but only the 15 supports VoNR

In China, the same 12 only has SA on mid band n78, no low band n28, or once again, VoNR. The 13 gains the other bands, but misses out on VoNR. Unlike the US though, in China the 14 and up support all three.

In Australia, the only iPhone to get any SA support at all is the 14 and up.

The fact this is all seemingly carrier driven is frightening.
It makes more sense though, I'm sure Apple would've set a standard here worldwide years ago but it's the one thing they can't force the carriers to change for them because the government is controlling the spectrum per country
 
It makes more sense though, I'm sure Apple would've set a standard here worldwide years ago but it's the one thing they can't force the carriers to change for them because the government is controlling the spectrum per country
The discrepancy in support is still worrying. VoNR should be a consistent standard from country to country and phone to phone.

It all seems incredibly arbitrary compared to VoLTE which worked on more or less anything since the first iPhone that had a modem which supported it.

It’s the same story with mmWave. You can have a compatible US-market iPhone, but it won’t work in Australia as they haven’t went and specifically enabled it in the carrier profile.
 
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Didn't see any when I was there on Saturday but it might be my phone/sim/whatever else. Good luck!
Did you have chance to test o2's N1 performance? I've not personally come across it before so I'd be interested to see how it performs I'm assuming it will be DSS but the coverage looks fairly extensive on cellmapper.
 
Did you have chance to test o2's N1 performance? I've not personally come across it before so I'd be interested to see how it performs I'm assuming it will be DSS but the coverage looks fairly extensive on cellmapper.
I found it a little disappointing - you'd be better off just using 4G, but it might be the CA combos limiting it for me. It's all DSS iirc - there are no Orions so they stuck DSS on all the monopoles to get citywide 5G
 
The discrepancy in support is still worrying. VoNR should be a consistent standard from country to country and phone to phone.

It all seems incredibly arbitrary compared to VoLTE which worked on more or less anything since the first iPhone that had a modem which supported it.

It’s the same story with mmWave. You can have a compatible US-market iPhone, but it won’t work in Australia as they haven’t went and specifically enabled it in the carrier profile.
On the contrary, VoLTE has exactly the same problem as I've found out, the carrier decides what phones can use things like VoLTE, phones (like my Motorola One Action) that are fully VoLTE capable and worked on Three and EE, on Vodafone it doesn't because Vodafone decides it to be that way

I find it staggering that we have gone from being able to pick up any Sim Free phone and just knowing it would work on 2G and 3G to buying a phone and it essentially being a gamble if a carrier allows it to work for things like VoLTE

I sadly have no faith 5G will be any different, I can understand there being a staggered rollout of 5G SA on limited devices at first to test the network but I can see (especially with Vodafone) it being a whitelist of approved devices and arbitrary restrictions like not allowed to use VoNR permanently
 
Regarding VoNR, one thing I noticed on the iPhone is if you're in 5G coverage and connected to 5G (5G On, not 5G Auto), and you make a call it will still show the 5G indicator, but the call is actually taking place on one of the LTE carriers currently associated to. This can make it looks like VoNR when it isn't. I suppose it's difficult to represent it with one indicator, they should really look to have two indicators - one for Call Path (4G/5G/WiFi) and another for Data Path (4G/5G/WiFi).
 
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For anyone who has tried out Vodafone SA, do you get an IPv6 address on the internet ?
 
For anyone who has tried out Vodafone SA, do you get an IPv6 address on the internet ?
If it ever works for me I'll let you know! They say I am enabled from today but can't connect to SA even when I can see there's availability.
 
UK SMEs missing out on £8.6bn a year due to slow roll-out of 5G Standalone, new Vodafone report finds.

A little 5G SA related news snippet from Vodafone this morning folks.
Oh and yes, they did remember to mention the merger. 😊

I wonder if they realise how well their own '5G Ultra' rollout is going? :rolleyes:
 
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