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New update dropped for the iPhone 16 peoples. iOS 18 rather than 18.0.1 👀

Hopefully they fixed the touchscreen response issue.

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16 series has the same modem as the 15 series.

I live permanently on 5G so the rumoured modem upgrade is normally my justification for upgrading as any battery and performance gains on cellular are particularly important for my use case. Very glad I didn’t now!

Genuinely surprised they haven’t upgraded it. Also genuinely nervous about Apple’s new in house modem ruining future iPhones, I remember the Intel modem days 💩
 
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Dear me, they're getting a wee bit carried away in the states. :rolleyes: :giggle:
 
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It's a bit weird to see Apple doing that. They don't allow networks to pre-install crap on their phones, control their own updates, etc, but then accept doing "5Ge" icons for fake 5G.

When an operator has over 100million subscribers then I am sure Apple will add a line of code for them, as 60million of them will have iPhones as the split is 60 / 40 iPhone / Android
 
When an operator has over 100million subscribers then I am sure Apple will add a line of code for them, as 60million of them will have iPhones as the split is 60 / 40 iPhone / Android

Right, but why do it? Apple has a lot of leverage.

A network can tell Samsung "add our fake icon or we'll stop selling your phones" because there are other Android brands. They would take a hit, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. iPhones are a different though... no American "carrier" wants to drop iPhones. People need iMessages and blue bubbles.
 
The US Networks have a lot more leverage on Apple than vice versa... as Apple is driven by Money and it wont be about dropping them, its about orders

For example AT&T say to Apple add this code in and we will order 45 million units upfront , and if you dont we will reduce it to 30 million over the next year..... That is a big hit to Apple's bottom line, as well as services that Apple provide to AT&T...

Its down to pure profit at the end of the day... And Apple need the Networks
 
A network can tell Samsung "add our fake icon or we'll stop selling your phones" because there are other Android brands. They would take a hit, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
The relationship between telcos and phone manufacturers are much tighter than you'd expect.

The way it's presented to us is that it's always blossoming and fruitful, a symbiotic relationship where we all get together. All parties involved are happy. Ultimately, they're both making profit together so it's a win-win for everyone. They grease the sales staff with gifts and goodies while the office teams are given opportunities for exclusive access. I know one guy who got flown out to the Paris Olympics courtesy of Samsung (wish it was me!)

If a telco tells Samsung, add this, they'll do it. It will most certainly be fast tracked. They don't need to threaten. They will get their way and so will Samsung when it comes to pushing certain deals and devices. It comes across as a very healthy relationship.
 
The relationship between telcos and phone manufacturers are much tighter than you'd expect.

The way it's presented to us is that it's always blossoming and fruitful, a symbiotic relationship where we all get together. All parties involved are happy. Ultimately, they're both making profit together so it's a win-win for everyone. They grease the sales staff with gifts and goodies while the office teams are given opportunities for exclusive access. I know one guy who got flown out to the Paris Olympics courtesy of Samsung (wish it was me!)

If a telco tells Samsung, add this, they'll do it. It will most certainly be fast tracked. They don't need to threaten. They will get their way and so will Samsung when it comes to pushing certain deals and devices. It comes across as a very healthy relationship.

I get that, but am I wrong to assume that Apple is more likely to tell a network to take a hike than Samsung on something like this? For example, Samsung will pre-install or at least recommend the network app(s). Apple doesn't do that.

Apple is in a position that no other company is. Not only there's the brand, which attracts way more people than Samsung, Google, etc, but if you want iOS, you must buy an iPhone. A network call tell OnePlus "add this or else", but can't really stop selling iPhones if Apple doesn't bend over... I mean, they can, but it will hurt them.

Maybe this is just a concession from Apple to American networks? No, you won't touch our software updates and we wont pre-install your crap apps, but sure... we'll go along with your fake 5G and add a special icon. Look at how nice we are!
 
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Now that the cats are out of the bag. X71 is basically an X70 with UL MIMO and PC 1.5.

  1. X71 vs X75 Modem Capability Highlight
When compared to a true X75 Chipset suite found in the S24 series, X71 has:

No 5xCA SA

No 3 TDD + 1 FDD combo (77-77-48-5 or 41-41-77-25)

No mmW coverage extension via high power QTM565 and AI beam management 2.0

No 2xn77+4xmmW NRDC, only 1xn77+8xmmW

No 4xCA SA FDD (70-66-66-71) DL and no 71+70 UL CA

Etc....

2. Here are some more details in case anyone wants to read more....

Technical details for the 2024 iPhone devices: • RATs supported: • 5G NR (NSA/SA)*, LTE FDD, LTE TDD, WCDMA, HSPA+ and GSM • SIM Support • 4FF • eSIM, Birch 7.4 • GSMA RSP v2.3 • TCA (previously SIMAlliance) 3.1 • Multiple Enabled Profiles (MEP) • NR Cellular Features: • 3GPP Rel. 16 • EN-DC up to 5CCs LTE + 1CC NR or up to 4CCs LTE + 2CC NR • Max. Carrier BW: 100MHz (TDD), 20MHz (FDD) • DL/UL HOM: DL 256QAM/UL 256QAM • LTE Cellular Features: • 3GPP Rel. 16, DL Cat. 20, UL Cat. 18 • UL CA TDD+FDD (disabled by default) • 4x4 MIMO supported on 5CCs (Midbands and above >1700MHz) • DL/UL HOM: DL 256QAM/UL 256QAM (UL 256QAM enabled by default)

  • 5G NR SA is not enabled by default
  1. UE Capability/CA Combo Extracted from 16 Pro:

 
I just can’t quite work out why? The move to the previous generation Qualcomm modem each year on the pros has been a predictable pattern for a while (Intel modem excluded). Is this Apple penny pinching? There are tangible benefits to battery life offered by the X75.

Tin foil hat… Apple is introducing their own in-house modem next year so it’s going to look better for them when this is compared to the iPhone 16 Pro’s performance with an X71 vs an X75.
 
I just can’t quite work out why? The move to the previous generation Qualcomm modem each year on the pros has been a predictable pattern for a while (Intel modem excluded). Is this Apple penny pinching? There are tangible benefits to battery life offered by the X75.

Tin foil hat… Apple is introducing their own in-house modem next year so it’s going to look better for them when this is compared to the iPhone 16 Pro’s performance with an X71 vs an X75.
The Apple-Qualcomm agreement didn't cover x75, I guess Apple had intended to be using their modem by now and didn't want to fully negotiate a new deal for the sake of a year.

 
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I though Wi-Fi Assist was supposed to let the mobile service step in when the WiFi stopped but in my experience this has never worked. Last night my old broadband service stopped and the iPhone showed it as not being connected to the internet but I had no connectivity until I switched Wi-Fi off. If I didn't have American contacts who only use iMessage and Facetime instead of WhatsApp I would not bother with iPhones.
 
When will iphones usually stop working on most apps such as games and banking apps years after the last IOS update?
 
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