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I still have family members using iPhone 6, iOS 12.5.7 was released in January 2023, there's probably some iPhone 5S out there still.
11 years and 4 months of updates for a 5S

On a side note, only Apple can fix a browser (webkit) security flaw and pass it as an OS update (12.5.7).

On Android, the latest version of the equivalent component (WebView) is usually supported for 4-5 years after the Android version was released, gets updates via the play store, doesn't require a reboot, and then people complain that the OS gets less support than iOS. 😂

But it's nice to see Apple releasing those updates, even if they're just updating "apps".
 
On a side note, only Apple can fix a browser (webkit) security flaw and pass it as an OS update (12.5.7).

On Android, the latest version of the equivalent component (WebView) is usually supported for 4-5 years after the Android version was released, gets updates via the play store, doesn't require a reboot, and then people complain that the OS gets less support than iOS. 😂

But it's nice to see Apple releasing those updates, even if they're just updating "apps".
What actually happens on Android is that you often end up with multiple versions of WebView present: one that's in the immutable firmware image, others that are installed by Google Play, and applications can and often do bundle their own specific version of it or even their own web view implementations altogether (see: Meta and others).

Apple's approach may be slower, but for better or worse, by having WebKit only in the system image and preferring atomic updates, they have pretty much avoided this uncertainty thus far.
 
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What actually happens on Android is that you often end up with multiple versions of WebView present: one that's in the immutable firmware image, others that are installed by Google Play, and applications can and often do bundle their own specific version of it or even their own web view implementations altogether (see: Meta and others).

Apple's approach may be slower, but for better or worse, by having WebKit only in the system image and preferring atomic updates, they have pretty much avoided this uncertainty thus far.

I believe the one in the firmware isn't used if it gets updates from the Play Store. So you have that up-to-date version - which most apps use - and you have apps that use their own, which can be a problem, but for example, someone with Android 9 (2018) is still using the latest, fully supported Meta/Facebook app.

Apple's approach is fine as long the phone is receives the latest iOS version. Sure, maybe it's a bit more annoying as you have to do a system update and have some downtime just to update the browser or the gallery app, but it works.

The problem is when the iPhone no longer receives new major versions and you're stuck with the WebKit version that iOS version shipped with. Android is "messy", but a phone running Android 8 (2017) still runs the latest WebView and can also install something like Chrome or Firefox (which still supports Android 5.0 from 2014). And it's a similar story with other apps, like the gallery, maps, messages, etc.

I think Apple understands the benefits of detaching apps from the system. They've started doing that with Safari on macOS a while ago. This morning Safari was updated to 18.0.1 on my Macbook Pro without a system update.

Anyway, my point is that Apple updates WebKit and it counts as iOS still being updated +10 years after the phone release. We don't do that with Android, Windows, Linux, etc.

It's likely that the Pixel 9 (released in 2024 and with 7 years of major Android updates) will be running the latest WebView/Chrome in 2035/36, but because the phone last asked to be rebooted in 2031, no one's going to say "look at Google supporting the Pixel 9 for 13 years!".
 
'anyone know how I switch between foreign keyboards in iOS 18, I keep getting stuck in Spanish! 🇪🇸 there used to be a globe icon but it’s gone.'

Can any fruity peeps help out @JPFoneMan with his keyboard dilemma?
:)
 
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'anyone know how I switch between foreign keyboards in iOS 18, I keep getting stuck in Spanish! 🇪🇸 there used to be a globe icon but it’s gone.'

Can any fruity peeps help out @JPFoneMan with his keyboard dilemma?
:)
Is it the spacebar?

I know holding spacebar in android shows the languages as well.

Just an idea.

If it isn't there, has he checked both keyboard settings and normal settings? (although the latter, usually is only to add more languages, not set your language for the keyboard) aside from primary language used
 

Turns out, iPhone users are not that into RCS.​

I must admit, I very rarely use SMS/RCS now, it's all WhatsApp messaging for me. 🤷‍♂️
 

Turns out, iPhone users are not that into RCS.​

I must admit, I very rarely use SMS/RCS now, it's all WhatsApp messaging for me. 🤷‍♂️
Makes you wonder if this person has any friends lol.

“I never understood the whole drama behind iMessage and RCS. 100% of my friends who use iPhone don’t know about iMessage, 100% of my friends who use Android don’t know about RCS. It’s WhatsApp everywhere. iMessage and RCS are just American things like Miles and Tips.”

Although, saying that I have no idea what RCS is either lol, whoops, outed.
 

Turns out, iPhone users are not that into RCS.​

I must admit, I very rarely use SMS/RCS now, it's all WhatsApp messaging for me. 🤷‍♂️
I sent a few to my partner and then we went back to WhatsApp. I don't think people care or understand.
 
I sent a few to my partner and then we went back to WhatsApp. I don't think people care or understand.
Yeah, a big hoo hah over nothing I think garetc. :rolleyes:
 
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Some friends even stopped replying to my iMessages asking me to contact them on WhatsApp instead!
Defies belief, truly. Like having the audacity to tell someone who took the time to write you a letter that you won't read it because they used black ink instead of blue.
 
Users don't have to be "into RCS" or know what RCS is.

RCS is meant to be a modern SMS/MMS replacement. Not supporting it makes as much sense as not supporting something like VoLTE. You want it to be there, even if most of your calls are done via apps. The user doesn't need to know about it.

Regarding the iMessages stuff, 2 years ago I got into an argument with my brother because they were planning to do something at school and because almost everyone had iPhones, they decided to create a group on iMessages where they were sharing ideas, pictures, etc. There were 3 or 4 without iPhones, so I thought that was wrong.

Having RCS would allow iPhone users to do the same thing on the same app without forcing anyone to pay to send images or feel excluded. I don't know why, but eventually the discussion moved to Snapchat... By the way, this happened with kids doing sixth form somewhere on the outskirts of London, not the US.
 
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