t4f, your part 4 special rules, this applies only if you have been told by your doctor or specialist that you have less than 6 months to live. It does not cover cancer where no life time limit has been assumed, and it does not cover mental health problems, which you earlier insisted it does.
As for income support, some people still get it as not everyone has been transferred to ESA yet, and pension credit certainly still exists. Please do your research very carefully before insisting only you can be right and everyone else is wrong!
As for the channel 4 program, did you watch it? If not, I suggest you watch it on the internet before making comments such as
Sigh guess to shut you all up ill just have to get hold of the notes sheet and upload it, though i doubt even that will help the brain washing that has occurred.
The person i completed the form for has cancer and they can not say if they will live, die or if they are likely to die how long they have left. IT is not required. The form allows for you to included medical reports, if the person looking at the form does there job properly and sees a doctor and specialist report that you have cancer they are not going to call you to an interview.
Income support was FULLY scrapped back in MAY 2012. Nobody right now should be receiving Incoming support it will be ESA instead.
There are 2 periods to payments. The assessment phase rate is paid for the first 13 weeks of your claim while a decision is made on your capability for work through the Work Capability Assessment. (THAT ASSESSMENT is the FORM not ANY MEDICAL PERSON, if they can not decide from the FORM thats when you get send off to a medical assessment)
After that you you move onto The main phase of the claim which starts from week 14 of your claim. At this point you will have been place in one of 2 catagories.....
Work Related Activity Group or the Support Group.
(The quote of......... ESA is Employment Support Allowance JSA and be
income based or contribution based by our ill informed little friend that started all this
IS NONSENSE)
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTa...CreditsAndOtherSupport/Illorinjured/DG_171896
THATS THE RATES. The whole income v contribution thing, that applied to Income Support when it existed and applies to JSA, it has nothing to do with ESA though. I doubt they even claim ESA but more likely JSA, based on what they think the rates are earlier in the thread (£60 odd quid) and this new ill informed snippet. You can get a top up payment to your ESA if your income is very low, but there is no 2 distinct rates. (apart from age related).
The also have no clue about forms....... You can walk into any DSS, Employment services/Job centre and ask for all the claim forms, be it JSA, ESA, DLA, some even carry the housing benefit forms to avoid a second visit down the council. They just dunno what they are on about.
It was the local Employment Services where i went to get the forms for the person i know with cancer, i didnt even have to wait 2 minutes for the person to leave their desk and come back with the claim packs and give give brief explanation on what to complete.
TIMELESS has been spoon fed one too many newspaper articles, that or they are just dealing with their claim in the wrong manner. To even suggest i work for Employment services, DSS or whatever he is on about now is ridiculous, i own and run my own business, and im happy to show evidence of that also if he would be willing to remove his tin foil hat for 30 seconds.
Income Support DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE, YOU CANT CLAIM IT AND ANYONE THAT WAS ON IT HAS BEEN MOVED OVER TO ESA.
Do you want me to go find all exact dates also???
This thread is so far off course that it may eventually prove that the universe is circular (by returning to its starting point).
Anyway, Mentally ill people are not supposed to get called in by ATOS according to various government wonks, yet at least ONE mentally ill person has committed suicide AT an ATOS meeting.
My source? Private Eye, but I dont have the issue or page number of the story, sorry.
SO this is down to ATOS being incompetent (a requirement to get ANY government contract??), and not government policy.
Nobody with cancer or SERIOUS mental issues will get called in for assessments or interviews. Like any benefit system in the past theres bound to be the odd one that slips through the cracks and whos claim is handled wrong. THAT THOUGH IS NOTHING NEW and has happened for years.
It certainly is not the norm Cancer paitents etc to get called into interviews like some of these mis-informed media brainwashed lot think. In fact given timeless doesnt even think you can go get an ESA form from your local Employment Services, im wondering even if it is media brainwashing but some other agenda, or just as i initially suspected, loony toon soap box dancing to shout how bad the conservative party is.
OH AND FURTHERMORE......... The person i completed forms for will NOT be called to an assessment or interviews with advisers. When their claim was approved within 2 weeks of completing the forms they write back informing you the claim was successful.
They also inform you and i quote the letter exactly "
you will NOT need to attend any interviews or assessments unless you choose to do so".
ENOUGH OF THIS CONSPIRACY CLAPTRAP TRIPE