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so name how many companies provide that? lve looked high and low for that kind of work but its just not out there. however then worst part of the reforms were immediately after Remploy shedding over a 1000 staff its one of the biggest employers of the disabled in the country but since it was government run they were all put onto ESA or jobseekers if ATOS said they could work. Remploy has since been told to shed another 1000 disabled staff by the cons.

Sorry but ive reached the conclusion from that you just dont want to work. I could point you in the direction of a million work from home jobs, some of them not glamorous such as folding leaflets, stuff junk mail in envelopes and other more suited such as data entry. It doesnt pay a fortune though and no doubt thanks to Labour you would be better off financially on your benefits, so you wont be interested.

I SHOULD ADD PERSONALLY I DO NOT BLAME YOU OR ANYONE IN A SIMILAR POSITION FOR THAT ATTITUDE. I blame the system, a broke system which at least is now trying to be fixed.

PART of the problem with shirkers and disability benefit (or whatever it is called now), IS directly down to the last government, who encouraged doctors and the unemployed to find an excuse to register disabled as this got them off of the unemployment figures.

Exactly, one of the things i listed earlier highest unemployed figures ever under them so they had to do something to diddle the figures.

I have a cousin who suffered a brain tumour that affected his short term memory; he was perfectly capable of doing his job (plasterer), but anything beyond basic instruction had to be written down in case he forgot*. He was PUT onto the above, despite being able AND WILLING to work; in the end he started doing cash jobs to stave off the boredom.

* He was always as thick as pig poo, I couldnt see any difference after the tumour was found and removed.

Sounds about right, a broke system where they couldnt be bothered to find him work, didnt want him as another unemployed stat, and im guessing (at least in his position i would think this way) he didnt bother arguing too much as he wouldnt be that bad off.

At least he got off his bum though and did what he enjoyed/was good at (maybe dubiously for cash in hand but he did something) the trouble though Captain is there are too many that dont get bored and are quite happy to sit on the sofa eating cheesy puffs and watching Jeremy Kyle all day.

PS, I have a long term, chronic illness, am I entitled to a penny?? NO!!!

Under the current government that MAY change next year Captain (depends on condition i guess) when they scrap DLA and replace it with PIP....
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTa...editsAndOtherSupport/Disabledpeople/DG_201317

I say MAY as details are scarce and conflicting at the moment, though it does appear some will still be able to get that and work.
Which initially to me (again will have to see what PIP is in its final form) seems a far better idea to me, reward those with physical conditions for actually working. I say again with caution though not enough detail to see if it will be a better scheme or not. (Unlike some i dont judge too much in advance).
 
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Sorry but ive reached the conclusion from that you just dont want to work. I could point you in the direction of a million work from home jobs, some of them not glamorous such as folding leaflets, stuff junk mail in envelopes and other more suited such as data entry. It doesnt pay a fortune though and no doubt thanks to Labour you would be better off financially on your benefits, so you wont be interested
l kind of take offence to that (slightly) l want to work, lve just never found anything.. however if you have any leads to something that can put a little money in my pocket then lm all ears as l havent been able to locate anything on my searches. oh and by the way lm not claiming anything, lve never claimed ESA lve always felt l can work... its just companies see someone like me and start worrying that l'll go off on the sick too often.. my issues arent too bad but others can suffer much worse and thats where the problems come in.

I SHOULD ADD PERSONALLY I DO NOT BLAME YOU OR ANYONE IN A SIMILAR POSITION FOR THAT ATTITUDE. I blame the system, a broke system which at least is now trying to be fixed.
lve never disputed the fact that the welfare system needed some work (just like the NHS) however l do dispute the fact that both disabled and the unemployed are being demonized when the majority havent done anything wrong. especially now days!! whats worse is those on JSA have to make do with little more than £67 a week its not easy especially when things cost so much these days.. the only fraud on JSA is those who work cash in hand (and l dont think many do...) and human/computer error.. as for DLA figures government tout dont match the DWP however thats not to say there were none playing the system there was and is definitely room for improvement.

Exactly, one of the things i listed earlier highest unemployed figures ever under them so they had to do something to diddle the figures.
and you think the current government does anything different? hell they pay private companies to take on the unemployed for up to a year, do you think the tax payer should be paying for that? a private company is profiting from tax payers money and free workers!! oh and they do consider those on workfare and courses as "not-unemployed" as you still get signed off for courses and workfare, usually at the end they will send out a p45 (well p something, last one l got was similar to one if memory serves)

At least he got off his bum though and did what he enjoyed/was good at (maybe dubiously for cash in hand but he did something) the trouble though Captain is there are too many that dont get bored and are quite happy to sit on the sofa eating cheesy puffs and watching Jeremy Kyle all day.
thats the mindset that infuriates me.. ppl seem to generalise waaay too much and end up painting everyone as lazy and scroungers.. NO ONE in their right mind wants to be in that position. now l admit lm unemployed going through rough times, but between looking for things l can do l dont sit on my arse doing nothing.. well not in the metaphorical sense of the word lol.. l spend most of my time online improving my knowledge on servers and messing around with websites, and if lm lucky gain a commission or two once or twice a month. l like to keep my brain ticking!!

I say MAY as details are scarce and conflicting at the moment, though it does appear some will still be able to get that and work.
Which initially to me (again will have to see what PIP is in its final form) seems a far better idea to me, reward those with physical conditions for actually working. I say again with caution though not enough detail to see if it will be a better scheme or not. (Unlike some i dont judge too much in advance).
lm still out on that one.. however universal payments that have been touted l think will be a problem.. everything going into one account and having to pay housing benefit from there l believe could cause issues like false housing claims or someone overshooting their budget and not having enough to pay their rent.. after all its specifically for housing when claiming housing benefit.
 
Do you work for Atos? ;)

As already explained i have nothing to do with ATOS or employment services.

The thread is pointless now and nothing more than a person going off on a tangent about the benefit system when they have demonstrated on more than one occasion they do not know what they are moaning about.

What it boils down to is a person feels victimised because suddenly state benefits are harder to get. Thats the long and short of it.
 
who is the one who has no clue here? the person (who lm assuming here) has never claimed a cent and only filled in a form or two for someone, or someone who has been in the position of claiming benefits whether they wanted to or not?

you have continually quoted what you have read from forms but the stark reality is they arent worth the paper they are written on, no matter who someone is they will be sent to ATOS for an assessment and considering you seem to read from the same mantra as ATOS and the government it just begs the question of why cant you see all those who actually need help (the ones who are actually disabled) because they exist and now get to live in fear of the next brown envelope.

btw a wheelchair bound friend of mine from hampshire called me a few days ago on skype and told me his story of an assessment centre.. basically he turned up late and he was signed as a no show and lost his ESA. now you might say it serves him right for not showing up.. however when you realise he is disabled from the waist down and the assessment centre was upstairs which had no lift access and he was in an electric wheelchair you start asking some questions.. he made it on time but not one person helped him up the steps.. they didnt even have any spare chairs inside so he could have been carried up and used one upstairs...
 
who is the one who has no clue here?

You are! The most recent example beehatching Cameron claimed DLA when you obviously did not know who is entitled to claim that. Of course i tried to point to you your financial state makes no difference but you are so fixated the current government is evil, common sense and logic goes in one ear and out the other.

Ive had to claim benefits in my life time a couple of times, im not against them existing im against them being paid to people all their life though when the person is capable of working in some fashion. Laziness is laziness and ive reached the conclusion you could work. Im also assuming you are claiming JSA and not ESA or DLA, if that is the case the current and past government also believe you can work (and they are both probably right).

What is written on current forms and who can claim with no hassle is an experience i have seen with my own 2 eyes. Ill believe my own eyes rather than someone moaning the likes of Cameron got DLA unfairly when they do not know who is entitled to that benefit.

Also the way you keep going on about all these "disabled" friends you have also sounds a bit silly now. You seem to have "friends" with every aliment known to man kind from mental problems, to wheel chair bound and not only do they have every aliment but they also are all being victimised buy the benefit system. Your *cough* "friends" must be the unluckiest people on the planet. How many "friends" do you exactly have which you consider to be disabled???

Either way i dont really care, you feel free to rant away about how evil everything is, its not gonna change it, and im still glad the screws are being tightened on long term claimants which could work. Billions are wasted on paying JSA to long term claimants that more than likely do not look for work or are overly fussy about what work they will look for. Genuine claimants shouldn't be claiming that for more than a year at a time (hell ill be generous and say 2 years) in that time if you are healthy you CAN get a job. Long term disabled who have trouble with day to day activities can still claim DLA and a raft of benefits which are NOT subject to ATOS interviews no matter how much you claim they are. There is no victimisation going on unless you are lazy or trying to claim everything under the sun and think everyone owes you it.

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You are! The most recent example beehatching Cameron claimed DLA when you obviously did not know who is entitled to claim that. Of course i tried to point to you your financial state makes no difference but you are so fixated the current government is evil, common sense and logic goes in one ear and out the other.
if lm fixated on anything at the moment its Graylings actual words.. which were something along the lines of "people are sicker than anticipated" which means the stats on their workfare program hasnt met its target so they plan to redefine what disability is, which is why so many more disabled are being pushed through as well enough to work.

Ive had to claim benefits in my life time a couple of times, im not against them existing im against them being paid to people all their life though when the person is capable of working in some fashion. Laziness is laziness and ive reached the conclusion you could work. Im also assuming you are claiming JSA and not ESA or DLA, if that is the case the current and past government also believe you can work (and they are both probably right).
l have no doubt many disabled are well enough to work and could be doing something, however you miss the point that where ever disabled work certain standards must be met, for example for wheelchair bound ramps and lifts make the workplace accessible this includes making available toilet facilities and while there may have originally been grants they are few and far between now, that coupled with some disabled going off ill regularly and needing time off to attend medical appointments, if l was an employer l would overlook a disabled person on the basis that it would cost too much to make the workplace safe for them and because ld loose money.. after all a business who doesnt focus on profits doesnt last long.

as for calling me lazy.. or l assume thats how the comment was worded, far from it l spend most of my days looking for work and improving my knowledge and when the chance arises work by commission on websites. l have claimed JSA in the past however last year l was sanctioned for not taking a job l WASNT offered, 5mins after the interview l was called and my money stopped!!

the job was labelled canvassing but it was actually selling conservatories and was commission based, spent the whole interview listening to the south african manager telling me how he had never claimed JSA and could get a job in 2mins if he was made redundant and while ld have loved to tell him to "stick it" l didnt have the luxury and would have taken the job, it would have likely put me into great debt because lm no salesman thats for sure. lve since tried to sign back on but now l get constant excuses like "you havent paid enough NI" or "your household makes too much money" (lm single and want to know how they work that out since they dont have access to my sisters or parents bank accounts) lve had other excuses, lm just glad my family is understanding and lets me help out where l can.

What is written on current forms and who can claim with no hassle is an experience i have seen with my own 2 eyes. Ill believe my own eyes rather than someone moaning the likes of Cameron got DLA unfairly when they do not know who is entitled to that benefit.
the fact of the matter was everyone was entitled.. benefits need to be capped!! thats to say if someone can live comfortably without them then they dont need them, l agree with that idea.. after all a millionaire doesnt need child benefit or DLA/ESA. what l find despicable is someone who claimed it for their son is suddenly attacking those who need it.

Also the way you keep going on about all these "disabled" friends you have also sounds a bit silly now. You seem to have "friends" with every aliment known to man kind from mental problems, to wheel chair bound and not only do they have every aliment but they also are all being victimised buy the benefit system. Your *cough* "friends" must be the unluckiest people on the planet. How many "friends" do you exactly have which you consider to be disabled???
l have a large group of disabled friends and acquaintances, there is a meet locally where ppl with a range of disabilities gather to talk and enjoy themselves.. and more and more times these days most topics of conversation are about the benefit reforms. now while l am generally healthy occasionally l have major problems walking my knees can sometimes be so bad l need crutches or a wheel chair however l want to work and thats what lm aiming for so lve never claimed DLA and always opted to jobseek, but l do like taking part in the gatherings because l get to meet ppl who have allot to offer.

Either way i dont really care, you feel free to rant away about how evil everything is, its not gonna change it, and im still glad the screws are being tightened on long term claimants which could work. Billions are wasted on paying JSA to long term claimants that more than likely do not look for work or are overly fussy about what work they will look for. Genuine claimants shouldn't be claiming that for more than a year at a time (hell ill be generous and say 2 years) in that time if you are healthy you CAN get a job. Long term disabled who have trouble with day to day activities can still claim DLA and a raft of benefits which are NOT subject to ATOS interviews no matter how much you claim they are. There is no victimisation going on unless you are lazy or trying to claim everything under the sun and think everyone owes you it.
l still want to know where these jobs are that you say are out there.. last stats l heard say there was about a million jobs out there but closer to 2.5million on benefits, the stats dont seem to match up to the need.

as for the ATOS assessments, l see your never going to take your head out of the sand and actually research what is happening out there which is pretty sad.
 
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ATOS assessments are for if you claim ESA, they do not assess a JSA, DLA, Housing or other numerous benefit claims. Those are and (always AFAIK) have been assessed by Employment services.

The assessments for ESA are initially based on the replies you give on the form, from there they decide if you need to see a medical advisor.

Cameron who claimed DLA (Disability Living Allowance) for a child is not attacking that benefit, DLA exists in EXACTLY the same form it did under the Labour government. I have already pointed this out to you. He hasnt done anything 2 faced so to speak with that benefit.

In 2013 this will be replaced by PIP which in addition to supporting those people will also allow others that work rewards that they could not previously get (at least thats what the current guidelines for PIP say).

ESA is the merger of Income Support and Incapacity Benefit........ Two of which are or were the most fraudulent claims. It has nothing to do with JSA (Jobseekers Allowance) or DLA (Disability Living Allowance).

ANYONE AND I MEAN ANYONE who is capable of work could get it easily. The trouble is theres too much of this "my rights" mob in this country. (You fall into this catagory In my opinion).

I could name numerous agencies in my area which provide packing and cleaning work. A fair chunk of who they employ are immigrants (LEGAL ONES BEFORE YOU START THAT RANT) because no native English person wants to scrub toilets for minimum wage.

Consider yourself lucky you dont live in the states and other areas of the globe where you can only claim benefit a fixed amount of time before its cut off entirely and you would be truely FORCED to go clean a toilet for a living.

The easy ride is over......... Get used to it.
 
ATOS assessments are for if you claim ESA, they do not assess a JSA, DLA, Housing or other numerous benefit claims. Those are and (always AFAIK) have been assessed by Employment services.
obviously they dont assess JSA claims they arent a type of sickness benefit. however DLA as l believe you have said before is being changed into PIP/ESA tho l can cite many instances where those currently in recipt of DLA have been sent to assessments, but lm pretty sure youll blow me off on this one and say that its untrue lol.

The assessments for ESA are initially based on the replies you give on the form, from there they decide if you need to see a medical advisor.
true, but l dont think medical advisor is the right term to use, all they do is ask you a set of questions and if you dont achieve 15 points you are sent back to the job centre and put on workfare etc. my father attended two assessments, one before ATOS and one after (suspected heart problem, he was signed off while it was under investigation) the first one focused on his movement etc, however the ATOS one was taken on a computer and had questions which asked about using pens and pressing buttons.. it basically focused on things pretty much everyone could do from a sitting position which obviously would end in hardly any points (at least for his assessment), the sad thing is the assessment seems to neglect the ideal that businesses want workers not someone they need spend money on making the workplace safe for them.

Cameron who claimed DLA (Disability Living Allowance) for a child is not attacking that benefit, DLA exists in EXACTLY the same form it did under the Labour government. I have already pointed this out to you. He hasnt done anything 2 faced so to speak with that benefit.
lm not saying he did wrong, however he has taken that away from many who do need it. its just like his recent soundbite about a comedian who used a dodgy tax scheme, somehow it became morally wrong for someone else to do something that many of his peers continue to do. what l was suggesting was moving the goal posts and capping it to a certain level after all its not a culture of entitlement we have we only claimed for what the law said we could claim, like tax credits.

ESA is the merger of Income Support and Incapacity Benefit........ Two of which are or were the most fraudulent claims. It has nothing to do with JSA (Jobseekers Allowance) or DLA (Disability Living Allowance).
this brings me back to government figures and DWP figures.. the government would have you believe half of claimants are fraudulently claiming yet DWP figures show less than 1% if memory serves.. now lm all for going after those who play the system however those that do are very few, and in the case of some its down to system error or human error at the DWP.. all l can say is do some research.

ANYONE AND I MEAN ANYONE who is capable of work could get it easily. The trouble is theres too much of this "my rights" mob in this country. (You fall into this catagory In my opinion).
what rights? lve never considered it my right to claim anything, hell lm not even doing what l was recommended by my employment coach because l thought it was morally wrong (he told me to go self employed then claim tax credits). you strike me as someone who is a dreamer who thinks jobs are currently falling from the sky. that one could walk in somewhere and ask for a job and be working within a week, maybe about 4/5years ago that was possible but these days with an average of 60applicants per job its hard to stand out especially when you have health issues.

I could name numerous agencies in my area which provide packing and cleaning work. A fair chunk of who they employ are immigrants (LEGAL ONES BEFORE YOU START THAT RANT) because no native English person wants to scrub toilets for minimum wage.
l can name numerous ones in my area that l had applied to, however all turned me down based on the fact that they were either worried about my health (as l mentioned above l have some issues with my knees which sometimes puts me in a chair or crutches) and on occasion the distance ld have to travel between their contracted areas because l dont have my own transport. l have no qualms about dirty work, hell l lived on farms for over 25 years a little crap doesnt scare me.

Consider yourself lucky you dont live in the states and other areas of the globe where you can only claim benefit a fixed amount of time before its cut off entirely and you would be truely FORCED to go clean a toilet for a living.
thought l had already said more than once lm not claiming anything.. tho l wont dispute the fact that its harder in other countries, but equally they dont have things like workfare which use tax payers money and pay private companies for them to profit from the unemployed.. after all if you need more workers shouldnt they be paid a wage, theres nothing that can be learned from experiencing shelf filling.

The easy ride is over......... Get used to it.
its never been easy.. just too many lazy antagonistic peeps at job centres not following up on ppl properly, the same can be said about many peeps in office right now but l wont go into all that.
 
LOL dont ask me why but l love a good debate regardless of it lm talking to brick walls. but you make an excellent point regarding bank deregulation of banks, wasnt it the conservatives who did it? if l remember my history correctly.. that would make the conservatives the main reason we are in so much economic trouble right now.. while its entirely possible we wouldnt come off smelling of roses due to the financial crisis we would prolly be allot better off if deregulation had not happened.

still if thinking outside the box and doing research and listening to real ppl talk about their problems makes me lazy then l guess l can accept that because at least lm contributing to my local community even if l cant help as much as l want to.
 
Hay if you start playing the "lets blame those guys from history" game then you could probably trace it all the way back to the Dutch for giving us a big slice of the modern free markets financial system :) , which politicians love because it helps them to escape modern responsibility.

The other problem is with the word "deregulation", which can easily be applied too generally when in reality only certain aspects were deregulated, which occurs when a regulator or government decides that an industry is competent enough to manage its own affairs without collapsing the system (ehumm.. oops?). Both parties played a part here.

When that situation ceases to be the case, such as around 2004/5 as the credit flow/mortgage/debt figures clearly began to look ropey and financial analysts started to cry foul, then it's onus upon the government/regulator of the day to redress that balance before it becomes critical. Sadly that didn't happen. Of course rather than debate this we can all just blame the American's for not paying their mortgages :) , even though we had the same problem.
 
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The disturbing truth about disability assessments

Two recent television programmes made public what doctors and patients already know: fitness to work assessments being conducted in the UK by the private firm Atos are unfit for purpose and damaging. Why are doctors involved in this farce, asks Margaret McCartney( general practitioner, Glasgow).

Full review ...

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obviously they dont assess JSA claims they arent a type of sickness benefit. however DLA as l believe you have said before is being changed into PIP/ESA tho l can cite many instances where those currently in recipt of DLA have been sent to assessments, but lm pretty sure youll blow me off on this one and say that its untrue lol.

Any assessment for DLA you are sent to a trained medical professional (normally a doctor) it is not and never has been handled by ATOS.

ESA is the only benefit that has ATOS involvement.

The agency in my area i refer to like many, has a mini bus for for transportation to the positions it provides. You can walk into there and have a job cleaning or packing the very next day.

The same goes for agencies up and down the land.

I know because when i faced hard times rather than whine like a spoilt brat i went and packed veg for 40 hours a week and stunk like rotten sprouts and cauliflower after every shift.

If you were so bad off on your benefit, you would be doing the same. You dont though because its far easier to sit back and claim the JSA rather than do hard graft for little pay.

Name the area you live in the country and ill easily find an agency which has similar work available not far from you.

Finally the likes of the USA as just one example is a country where you can only claim benefit a certain period of time, and in addition it has workfare schemes.

Things are too easy for the lazy and jobless in the UK. The very fact you are allowed to only search for specific work (I think if i remember right you have to name 3 types on your "action plan" when you claim JSA) shows things are far too easy also.

I wasnt 100% in favour of the current governments plans but all this thread has done is led me to believe the tougher they make things the better.
 
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Any assessment for DLA you are sent to a trained medical professional (normally a doctor) it is not and never has been handled by ATOS.
incorrect, any assessments for benefits are handled by ATOS medical professionals (if thats what they are called since most of them dont have more than a first aid cert), the reason for this is that it seems the government dont trust our own GPs to rule us sick and lve heard actual snippets from politicians that any kind of sickness should be tested by independent medical professionals for DLA/ESA. a doctors note is not good enough in most places to start any kind of sickness benefit claim which is why they push claimants locally into ATOS pretty quickly here.

ESA is the only benefit that has ATOS involvement.
sadly at my local jobcentre it seems to be different.

The agency in my area i refer to like many, has a mini bus for for transportation to the positions it provides. You can walk into there and have a job cleaning or packing the very next day.
sounds like an employment agency.. we have about 15 in town lve been registered to them since we moved here, so that would be around 3/4 years nearly, used to visit them all weekly but they would never have anything in that matched my lack of qualifications even tho l set the bar pretty low on what l could do. tho l add l didnt just sit on my ass, l have done some work over that time, the best l could manage was cash in hand tho because employers round this area dont seem to be taking on very many staff these days.

The same goes for agencies up and down the land.
lm currently wondering if we live on the same planet..

I know because when i faced hard times rather than whine like a spoilt brat i went and packed veg for 40 hours a week and stunk like rotten sprouts and cauliflower after every shift.
when did you go through these hard times? obviously not in the last few years.. we are in the middle of a recession!! the worst since the 50s, still l bet stale milk and cow crap smells allot worse than rotten sprouts and cauliflower..

If you were so bad off on your benefit, you would be doing the same. You dont though because its far easier to sit back and claim the JSA rather than do hard graft for little pay.
IM NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING and even when l was £67 a week hardly affords more than the bare minimum l need to live, maybe once upon a time you could live pretty easy on benefits especially if you were young and pregnant, but these days things have changed if your on benefits, everything costs more but benefits havent changed so claimants get allot less for their money.

Name the area you live in the country and ill easily find an agency which has similar work available not far from you.
lm in the west midlands (but lm not going any closer than that as l value my privacy)

Finally the likes of the USA as just one example is a country where you can only claim benefit a certain period of time, and in addition it has workfare schemes.
the closest thing they have to a workfare scheme actually pays minimum wage, which l have on pretty good authority (which youll prolly shoot down, purely because you have already decided that lm one of those scroungers who sits on their ass claiming the dole.. even tho l dont get a cent..) and no one lve talked to has even heard of any type of similar scheme that expects full time working hours for little more than welfare.

Things are too easy for the lazy and jobless in the UK. The very fact you are allowed to only search for specific work (I think if i remember right you have to name 3 types on your "action plan" when you claim JSA) shows things are far too easy also.
just shows how little you know, those three jobs one named in an action plan would allow the advisers to do a limited search each week, each week when l would attend when l was signing l would be sent home with a few printouts based off those 3 job areas l noted in the action plan. in addition lve always been required to show proof of my job searching this would be contact details of jobs and jobcentre reference numbers and or linked information. and lve always had a minimum limit of jobs l had to apply to each week. which has generally been between 10 and 30 per week l had to apply for and whenever they felt l wasnt doing enough l was sent to the programme centre where ld have someone over my shoulder making sure l was job searching properly and meeting my minimum quota, ld been sent there once and was expected to show up for 5 days for 6 hours at a time.

I wasnt 100% in favour of the current governments plans but all this thread has done is led me to believe the tougher they make things the better.
give it a few more years and we shall see how many suicides hit the news come election times when they know the cons wont make another term. (in fact a jobcentre close to my had an attempted suicide right outside where someone chained himself to the railings and set himself alight)
 
DLA you go to see a proper doctor for a medical assessment, did when i had to temporarily claim it years ago for a short period and its the same now.

THAT BENEFIT HAS NOT BEEN ALTERED FOR YEARS.

I claimed it for just under six months after a serious accident that required several knee surgeries. I then hobbled back to work with it pinned in place on crutches. I had to travel about 10 miles out of the town i live to another and a doctors surgery for my assessment which lasted all of 10 minutes (was pretty obvious what was wrong with me).

Other than that the longest ive ever been unemployed is a month. Trouble with most unemployed is they are too fussy in what they want.

Half the time for an ESA claim you wont even have to go for an ATOS so called medical, most of the time they will just shove you in the work related activity group. That basically involves seeing an advisor at the job centre every 2-3 months. Hardly an ordeal unless you are wrongly marked and very seriously ill.

NO BENEFIT IS ONLY £67 i dont even know where you keep plucking that figure from......... Oh and BTW JSA has been increased atleast twice since the conservatives you hate have come to power.

Go to your local BlueArrow recruitment and ask for a cleaning or packing job, guarantee they will have one for you to start immediately. May only be temp work though so probably doesnt fit your fussy requirements.

As to the USA and workfare schemes........

http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd5/rports2007-2008/rrep533.pdf

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DLA you go to see a proper doctor for a medical assessment, did when i had to temporarily claim it years ago for a short period and its the same now.
things have definitely changed now l can assure you.

THAT BENEFIT HAS NOT BEEN ALTERED FOR YEARS.
up till now at least

Other than that the longest ive ever been unemployed is a month. Trouble with most unemployed is they are too fussy in what they want.
have you been unemployed over the recession? you seem to think everyone is fussy on benefits these days going by your posts.

Half the time for an ESA claim you wont even have to go for an ATOS so called medical, most of the time they will just shove you in the work related activity group. That basically involves seeing an advisor at the job centre every 2-3 months. Hardly an ordeal unless you are wrongly marked and very seriously ill.
most of those l know have been put on workfare within weeks of signing onto ESA.. all of them appealing the decisions tho it could take six months for any kind of resolution and while they say its voluntary advisor's tell claimants its mandatory.

NO BENEFIT IS ONLY £67 i dont even know where you keep plucking that figure from......... Oh and BTW JSA has been increased atleast twice since the conservatives you hate have come to power.
lm not plucking that figure from anywhere, thats what l got weekly (so £134 a fortnight) when l was signing on that was last november (l cant account for any rises since then but from those l know still claiming it hasnt changed).

Go to your local BlueArrow recruitment and ask for a cleaning or packing job, guarantee they will have one for you to start immediately. May only be temp work though so probably doesnt fit your fussy requirements.
.... what fussy requirements, the funny thing about assumptions is you assume l havent already signed up to the agency when l have and visit my local ones weekly asking if there is any work in my local area. and yet again l see you painting ppl with the same generalisations the government are touting.. just because l dont have a job at this moment doesnt make me lazy.. lm just in an unfortunate position like many others at the moment who you seem to think are lazy scrounging scum.. which seems to be the wording many places use these days to give them a reason to take more and more from the most vulnerable.

As to the USA and workfare schemes........

http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd5/...08/rrep533.pdf

Chapter 3
lve already seen this, and many from those areas are confused as to where these ideas came from because they arent happening the same way there.. they get paid actual wages on schemes considered similar where here the tax payer is expected to subsidize private companies through companies like A4E (who l should add is currently being investigated for fraud which is related to the workfare scheme) for little more than jobseekers.. now if companies can take on free workers then surely they can pay them a wage!!
 
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Things have not changed.

What do you mean by over the recession this country has been on the recession point for years.

I know people that have been on ESA for over 3 months seen an advisor once were placed in the work related activity group (rightly so as they have no medical issues) and havent been sent of on any work scheme. You are day dreaming. Or you so called *cough* friends are lying (whos your friends, the daily mail and guardian?)

As to JSA and your £67 figure and your quote of "lm not plucking that figure from anywhere, thats what l got weekly (so £134 a fortnight) when l was signing on that was last november (l cant account for any rises since then but from those l know still claiming it hasnt changed)."

YOU ARE PLUCKING THAT FIGURE OUT OF THE AIR AND THAT INFORMATION The basic rate for an over 25 is £71 a week. The requirements to get JSA and the rates are here...
http://www.lawcentreni.org/EoR/benefits-and-tax-credits/jobseekers-allowance.html (used a non employment services link this time for you, go ahead and state that site are liars also).

This page list rates for all the benefits..... http://www.lawcentreni.org/EoR/benefit-rates.html in addition to other top ups people are permitted on JSA and other benefits....... Go ahead and deny them all because obviously your so called "friends" know best and that site, the DWP site and a million more official sources on the net are wrong. (sarcasm off).

Dunno what "friends" you have but they obviously have no idea whats being paid in 2012.

The last time JSA was anything £67 related was back in April 2011.....
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/dwp035.pdf see page/section 14 when it was £67.50....... Since that time it has increased just as i have stated....... I can go find out the max it was under your precious Labour government also if you want and feel the conservatives are hard doing you.

That previous link i gave and chapter 3 describes all the workfare schemes in the USA..... go google each one further.
Its pointless trying to educate you thats the third or fourth link in a row that explains a system and you denying thats how it works.

Every official source on benefits is wrong except you and your imaginary mates LOL

You appear to be a media brainwashed, daydreaming up figures, and schemes in other areas of the globe you know nothing about. Its ok though im not shocked, being a Labour supporter it makes sense, thats what they did for most of their reign....... DAYDREAM. Remove tin foil hat please.
 
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are you claiming DLA/ESA at the moment? do you spend all of time with those that do and are going through issues? how would you know if you dont listen to those that are experiencing the changes?

I know people that have been on ESA for over 3 months seen an advisor once were placed in the work related activity group (rightly so as they have no medical issues) and havent been sent of on any work scheme. You are day dreaming. Or you so called *cough* friends are lying (whos your friends, the daily mail and guardian?)
then they are extremely lucky.

As to JSA and your £67 figure and your quote of "lm not plucking that figure from anywhere, thats what l got weekly (so £134 a fortnight) when l was signing on that was last november (l cant account for any rises since then but from those l know still claiming it hasnt changed)."

YOU ARE PLUCKING THAT FIGURE OUT OF THE AIR AND THAT INFORMATION The basic rate for an over 25 is £71 a week. The requirements to get JSA and the rates are here...
http://www.lawcentreni.org/EoR/benef...allowance.html (used a non employment services link this time for you, go ahead and state that site are liars also).
lve just checked direct.gov website, it looks like the rate has gone up since l was signing on, last november however the rate was £67 per week. like l said l couldnt account for rises since l was signed off so it must have risen between november last year and now however l reiterate november last year that WAS the rate over 25s were receiving on JSA.

Dunno what "friends" you have but they obviously have no idea whats being paid in 2012.
the figure l stated was what "I" was paid on 2011 before being signed off, regardless it doesnt go much further in the grand scheme of things considering how much the essentials cost these days.

The last time JSA was anything £67 related was back in April 2011.....
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/dwp035.pdf see page/section 14 when it was £67.50....... Since that time it has increased just as i have stated....... I can go find out the max it was under your precious Labour government also if you want and feel the conservatives are hard doing you.
l reiterate the above, november was when l last claimed anything and thats the rate l received at the time.

That previous link i gave and chapter 3 describes all the workfare schemes in the USA..... go google each one further.
Its pointless trying to educate you thats the third or fourth link in a row that explains a system and you denying thats how it works.
l believe ppl rather than stats since most seem skewed these days.

Every official source on benefits is wrong except you and your imaginary mates LOL
must be nice living in your world where you dont see the reality of whats happening.

You appear to be a media brainwashed, daydreaming up figures, and schemes in other areas of the globe you know nothing about. Its ok though im not shocked, being a Labour supporter it makes sense, thats what they did for most of their reign....... DAYDREAM. Remove tin foil hat please.
you must be joking, most of the media still considers anyone who claims any sort of benefit scum and blindly follow the cons in printing smear stories which dont show anything like the reality thats happening out there. as for who l support, for the moment its the party who doesnt attack those poorest in our society so allot could change.. however l will note that you should look back to who got us in this mess by deregulating the banks.. granted other governments since didnt do anything to stop it but look where it all started..
 
....lve just checked direct.gov website, it looks like the rate has gone up since l was signing on, last november however the rate was £67 per week. like l said l couldnt account for rises since l was signed off so it must have risen between november last year and now however l reiterate november last year that WAS the rate over 25s were receiving on JSA..........

the figure l stated was what "I" was paid on 2011 before being signed off, regardless it doesnt go much further in the grand scheme of things considering how much the essentials cost these days.
YAWN re-quote you "l cant account for any rises since then but from those l know still claiming it hasnt changed" Makes either you or them liars or just dont know what they are talking about or how much ya being paid. Either way it equals stupid.
l believe ppl rather than stats since most seem skewed these days.
Given the above that appears to be half your issue.
must be nice living in your world where you dont see the reality of whats happening.
In my world the reality im seeing is those that are moaning about the system (that would be you) dont even know enough such as how much benefits even are currently to even be moaning about it in the first place.

Ill let you get back to your soap box meetings now with "friends" moaning about benefits when none of you even appear to of known what the current JSA is. Thats like another breed of idiot i often see on the internet that moans about minimum wage and when you ask them how much it is they get the answer wrong.

Maybe you could start backing up some of your claims with official sources to prove them rather than works of fiction from friends and newspapers.
...who l support, for the moment its the party who doesnt attack those poorest in our society so allot could change..
LMAO congrats on that cos the labour party you currently support are the ones responsible for record numbers of unemployed, pensioners on the poverty line unable to afford to heat their homes in the winter and the chavy scum element of society that led to a record number of theft offences.

OH and by the way and most ironically JSA which is part of what you are moaning about and its rates....... THAT WAS A LABOUR INVENTION ALSO.
 
YAWN re-quote you "l cant account for any rises since then but from those l know still claiming it hasnt changed" Makes either you or them liars or just dont know what they are talking about or how much ya being paid. Either way it equals stupid.
heh changing my words, l was speaking from my personal point of view. l never spoke about anyone else when talking about the rates I received when I was last claiming, like l said and will continue to say l got £67 per week up till last november, tho l conceded the rates had changed since after further research on the legitimate website ending .gov

Given the above that appears to be half your issue.
half your issue is that you blow off just about every criticism as and recent stories be they on the media or otherwise as complete lies for ratings.. and all you base your experiences off are forms that state one thing but in general lead to another. but l guess we wont be agreeing on that note, tho l do eventually hope your eyes open to whats happening..
In my world the reality im seeing is those that are moaning about the system (that would be you) dont even know enough such as how much benefits even are currently to even be moaning about it in the first place.

Ill let you get back to your soap box meetings now with "friends" moaning about benefits when none of you even appear to of known what the current JSA is. Thats like another breed of idiot i often see on the internet that moans about minimum wage and when you ask them how much it is they get the answer wrong.

Maybe you could start backing up some of your claims with official sources to prove them rather than works of fiction from friends and newspapers.
lmao just because l got one figure wrong by a fiver (l did say l claimed about a year ago and l clearly stated that l was unaware if there had been rises since).

still regardless, l could have all the proof in the world but you would still shoot it down since you already stated yourself that pretty much any medium is used for works of fiction.

LMAO congrats on that cos the labour party you currently support are the ones responsible for record numbers of unemployed, pensioners on the poverty line unable to afford to heat their homes in the winter and the chavy scum element of society that led to a record number of theft offences.
... really must be nice to live in your world, record numbers? unemployment never reached over 2million until the cons took over, and if there had not been changed in cold weather payments for pensioners as well as the rise in VAT pensioners wouldnt have found it so hard.. however l add that year of cold weather we had where there was allot of hype about pensioners not being able to afford heating was the first year the cons were in power.

need l remind you of the riots? from what l see they seem to happen more often under a con government than any other by the looks of it. tho you really do like labelling ppl dont you.
 
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