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heh changing my words, l was speaking from my personal point of view. l never spoke about anyone else when talking about the rates I received when I was last claiming, like l said and will continue to say l got £67 per week up till last november, tho l conceded the rates had changed since after further research on the legitimate website ending .gov
You quite clearly state "lm not plucking that figure from anywhere, thats what l got weekly (so £134 a fortnight) when l was signing on that was last november (l cant account for any rises since then but from those l know still claiming it hasnt changed)."

That indicates people you know that also claim its currently what you thought it was. I have not changed you words at all. You claimed the rate hasnt changed according to those you know. Your information or the information you got from them is FALSE.

half your issue is that you blow off just about every criticism as and recent stories be they on the media or otherwise as complete lies for ratings.. and all you base your experiences off are forms that state one thing but in general lead to another. but l guess we wont be agreeing on that note, tho l do eventually hope your eyes open to whats happening..
lmao just because l got one figure wrong by a fiver (l did say l claimed about a year ago and l clearly stated that l was unaware if there had been rises since).
Now you only need to admit you are wrong about everything else where ive linked to the facts.

As to me blowing off........ I wasnt the the person that turned an Olympics thread into their own personal vendetta against the current government, ATOS and benenfits.
still regardless, l could have all the proof in the world but you would still shoot it down since you already stated yourself that pretty much any medium is used for works of fiction.

You havent presented any evidence apart from saying over and over again my disabled mate says x, y, z, and we have already discovered with JSA rates they or you dont know what you are on about.
BIG SNIP need l remind you of the riots?
SNORE, already counter reacted to that and you other soap box dribble. way earlier in the thread.
from what l see they seem to happen more often under a con government than any other by the looks of it. tho you really do like labelling ppl dont you.

I havent been happy with any government for the last 20+ Years. As ive also said over and over in this thread they are all cack including the current one. There thats my own label i think they are all useless (even though ive said that a million times).

Given the choice of what we have currently or Labour with Know it all, knows F**K all Milliband in charge and feminist loon Harman second in charge, ill stick with what we have, Thanks.

You feel free to go vote for someone who basically has no experience of running anything and a second in command which would like to go back to the pre war days of woman and men not being treated equal only this time giving woman more power.

You think you got complaint issues about benefit now LMFAO if that woman from your precious party had her way benefit rates would probably differ for men and woman. LOL
 
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I am surprised that t4f hasn't responded to my last post re cancer sufferers (#78 on page 8 of this thread) :confused:

Well, in case you have not had time to read the link I posted, I'll sum it up for you.

If you have cancer and you are undergoing intravenous chemotherapy, you will not have an Atos assessment for the duration of the treatment and for a short time after the chemo has finished, but then you will be assessed.
However, if you are on oral chemotherapy, or no chemo at all, you will be assessed.

Something else I found out (can't find the link now, unfortunately) what I said earlier about not having to have an assessment if you have only been given a short time to live no longer applies. That was changed a while ago, not sure if it was Labour or ConDems that changed it. Now you can only get DLA for care automatically if you are going to die soon, but unless you are receiving intravenous chemotherapy, you will have to have an Atos assessment for ESA (unless you die before you are called in, of course) and as long as you are capable of pushing a button (and this was actually stated by an Atos assessor in the Channel 4 program) you will be classed as fit for some type of work.
 
I didnt bother replying to that link because there was nothing of worth replying to, it was only a open consultation. None of it refers to what does or will happen. Im not going to waste time explaining to channel 4 and daily mail readers what an open consultation is its far too complicated for you to grasp.
 
I don't suppose it entered your head that the consultation is about trying to get the government to change the rules about cancer sufferers having to undergo an Atos assessment then?
I'm afraid even full truth with full supporting evidence isn't going to convince you of anything. Your mind is made up that everything is hunkey dory and no mistakes are being made, and that cancer sufferers and mental health sufferers aren't at risk of losing their benefits after an assessment. I can only hope for your sake that you don't become one the group of people that being victimised by the goverment. I'd guarantee you would change our tune pretty quickly if it happened to you!

I'd just like to make it clear that I am not a Labour lover. In fact, I hate the Labour party for much of what they did when they were in power, and don't forget, it was the Labour party who introduced the medicals for people on incapacity benefits, to try and fix what the Tories did when they stopped the need for medicals in 1995, something you haven't mentioned in your ramblings even though I pointed out it was the Tories who first caused the problem by stopping the medicals.

I also hate the ConDem government for what they are doing to the genuinely disabled. They don't live in the real world, and don't understand what damage they are doing. It seems to me that with the amount of money they are spending on trying to get everyone off disablement benefits, along with the huge costs of all the appeals that are being made, they will be lucky to break even even if they succeed in what they are trying to accomplish.

It's a shame that we don't have a political party that isn't out to pick on the most needy in this country.
 
You quite clearly state "lm not plucking that figure from anywhere, thats what l got weekly (so £134 a fortnight) when l was signing on that was last november (l cant account for any rises since then but from those l know still claiming it hasnt changed)."

That indicates people you know that also claim its currently what you thought it was. I have not changed you words at all. You claimed the rate hasnt changed according to those you know. Your information or the information you got from them is FALSE.
l never stated anywhere that l was pulling the figure from anyone l knew, only that it was what l claimed when l was signing on.

Now you only need to admit you are wrong about everything else where ive linked to the facts.

As to me blowing off........ I wasnt the the person that turned an Olympics thread into their own personal vendetta against the current government, ATOS and benenfits.
lve only pulled from experiences, and l have no vendetta tho l do have a point to make.

You havent presented any evidence apart from saying over and over again my disabled mate says x, y, z, and we have already discovered with JSA rates they or you dont know what you are on about.
no amount of me passing experiences along will change your mind.. after all you blindly believe all the claptrap regarding the system, hell if l told you Grayling censored a video on youtube which had no factual inaccuracies which was produced by the ministry of justice you would prolly blow that off as lies.. after all it seems the media who is wiseing up to whats happening isnt good enough proof either.

I am surprised that t4f hasn't responded to my last post re cancer sufferers (#78 on page 8 of this thread)

Well, in case you have not had time to read the link I posted, I'll sum it up for you.

If you have cancer and you are undergoing intravenous chemotherapy, you will not have an Atos assessment for the duration of the treatment and for a short time after the chemo has finished, but then you will be assessed.
However, if you are on oral chemotherapy, or no chemo at all, you will be assessed.

Something else I found out (can't find the link now, unfortunately) what I said earlier about not having to have an assessment if you have only been given a short time to live no longer applies. That was changed a while ago, not sure if it was Labour or ConDems that changed it. Now you can only get DLA for care automatically if you are going to die soon, but unless you are receiving intravenous chemotherapy, you will have to have an Atos assessment for ESA (unless you die before you are called in, of course) and as long as you are capable of pushing a button (and this was actually stated by an Atos assessor in the Channel 4 program) you will be classed as fit for some type of work.
well said mender

I don't suppose it entered your head that the consultation is about trying to get the government to change the rules about cancer sufferers having to undergo an Atos assessment then?
I'm afraid even full truth with full supporting evidence isn't going to convince you of anything. Your mind is made up that everything is hunkey dory and no mistakes are being made, and that cancer sufferers and mental health sufferers aren't at risk of losing their benefits after an assessment. I can only hope for your sake that you don't become one the group of people that being victimised by the goverment. I'd guarantee you would change our tune pretty quickly if it happened to you!

I'd just like to make it clear that I am not a Labour lover. In fact, I hate the Labour party for much of what they did when they were in power, and don't forget, it was the Labour party who introduced the medicals for people on incapacity benefits, to try and fix what the Tories did when they stopped the need for medicals in 1995, something you haven't mentioned in your ramblings even though I pointed out it was the Tories who first caused the problem by stopping the medicals.

I also hate the ConDem government for what they are doing to the genuinely disabled. They don't live in the real world, and don't understand what damage they are doing. It seems to me that with the amount of money they are spending on trying to get everyone off disablement benefits, along with the huge costs of all the appeals that are being made, they will be lucky to break even even if they succeed in what they are trying to accomplish.

It's a shame that we don't have a political party that isn't out to pick on the most needy in this country.
again your hitting the nail on the head mender, in fact you put allot of my thoughts in much better words than l prolly could have.
 
I don't suppose it entered your head that the consultation is about trying to get the government to change the rules about cancer sufferers having to undergo an Atos assessment then?..........

Oh dear, repeats "it was only a open consultation. None of it refers to what does or will happen. Im not going to waste time explaining to channel 4 and daily mail readers what an open consultation is its far too complicated for you to grasp. "
 
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l never stated anywhere that l was pulling the figure from anyone l knew, only that it was what l claimed when l was signing on.

lve only pulled from experiences, and l have no vendetta tho l do have a point to make.

Nonsense you claimed you got £134 a fortnight and that figure for others had not changed. THAT STATEMENT IS FALSE.

no amount of me passing experiences along will change your mind..

Nope because you dunno what you are on about, you didnt even know the current JSA rates. Until i pointed to them. You then admit the rate has changed. If you do not know basic information like that before it is pointed out to you, then you obviously do not know more detailed information required for a debate. You also thought there were 2 levels of ESA in a similar fashion to JSA (IE income based and contribution based) there isnt that was altered a while ago also, just like your daydream £67 JSA rate.

after all you blindly believe all the claptrap regarding the system, hell if l told you Grayling censored a video on youtube which had no factual inaccuracies which was produced by the ministry of justice you would prolly blow that off as lies.. after all it seems the media who is wiseing up to whats happening isnt good enough proof either.

You do not know what is and isnt accurate. You have an opinion on what you think is accurate and when you are shown to be wrong with OFFICIAL INFORMATION, you either swiftly move on to rant about something else or use the excuse thats not what happens to my friends. You havent been able to back up A SINGLE CLAIM YOU HAVE MADE. Any videos removed from youtube are probably the work of some tin foil hat nut job blabbering inaccurate nonsense like you have been throughout this thread. TOOK YOU 7+ PAGES BEFORE YOU EVEN REALISED JSA WASNT £67.

This isnt even a debate anymore, its nothing more than (and im being blunt now) A Labourite on some misguided moral crusade, which just looks stupid. All the parties are evil except for Labour.l..... At least thats whats going on in your head.

If i just appease you by patting you on the head and telling you theres a good lad you are so right, will you move along and promised not to derail any other thread with your moaning about ATOS and government related things in general again?? (Like you have in various threads totally randomly for the past few months, dont challenge me to like to all that also).

Ill be willing to do that if it means it will finally shut you up, the way you have moaned continually about things like them totally randomly in some threads im beginning to think you actually need assessing and not for a physical issue.
 
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Oh dear, repeats "it was only a open consultation. None of it refers to what does or will happen. Im not going to waste time explaining to channel 4 and daily mail readers what an open consultation is its far too complicated for you to grasp. "
heh open consultation.. well if the last year is anything to go by it means absolutely nothing since they go ahead with their own ideas anyways.

regardless the issues mentioned by mender are happening, its just you live in a world where anything that happens you dont like you block out because its written on paper.. thats like Cameron saying himself (quite recently l might add [related to pasty tax]) that he loved cornish pasties from a certain shop which he ate last year and following research admittedly by a paper (but true none the less via a little research) that the shop in question closed many years ago.. my point being is that blindly believing whats on paper is much different that what those out there are experiencing.. just because someone says something doesnt mean its true, and while there is a wealth of information out there to back menders post up which arent just newspapers but many blogs too.. lm afraid in your case youll just blow them off and believe what you want to... whatever helps you sleep at night l suppose.

Nonsense you claimed you got £134 a fortnight and that figure for others had not changed. THAT STATEMENT IS FALSE.
.... l never claimed such a thing, even if through some twist it sounded like that in my previous posts l clearly stated that l couldnt account for any rises since l stopped claiming, again l was just talking from personal experiences, that being said lve never claimed DLA/ESA which is mostly what lve posted about and l have no clue about the rates that is paid at.

Nope because you dunno what you are on about, you didnt even know the current JSA rates. Until i pointed to them. You then admit the rate has changed. If you do not know basic information like that before it is pointed out to you, then you obviously do not know more detailed information required for a debate. You also thought there were 2 levels of ESA in a similar fashion to JSA (IE income based and contribution based) there isnt that was altered a while ago also, just like your daydream £67 JSA rate.
I LAST CLAIMED IN NOVEMBER I SPOKE FROM EXPERIENCE BACK THEN WHEN IT WAS THAT RATE, so why should l know the rate now when l am not even signing on.

furthermore, where the hell did you get the idea about 2 rates of ESA from.. l havent once said anything about two rates of ESA, lol it makes me wonder what thread your actually reading.

You do not know what is and isnt accurate. You have an opinion on what you think is accurate and when you are shown to be wrong with OFFICIAL INFORMATION, you either swiftly move on to rant about something else or use the excuse thats not what happens to my friends. You havent been able to back up A SINGLE CLAIM YOU HAVE MADE. Any videos removed from youtube are probably the work of some tin foil hat nut job blabbering inaccurate nonsense like you have been throughout this thread. TOOK YOU 7+ PAGES BEFORE YOU EVEN REALISED JSA WASNT £67.
in regards to said video, it was accurate lve seen the FOI request and most of the issues listed were actually true and accurate an example would be that showing up to a tribunal in person to appeal the decision made by an ATOS assessment improved ones chances of winning an appeal.

since you dislike papers and all that here is the same story from a blogger: http://www.thefreshoutlook.com/?p=12788

note "parts of the video which Chris Grayling objected to were all parts which claimants would find helpful" but l guess even the wealth of stories that reported this will be blown off because you have already made up your mind.

as for the JSA rate, l clearly stated "WHEN I LAST CLAIMED".

This isnt even a debate anymore, its nothing more than (and im being blunt now) A Labourite on some misguided moral crusade, which just looks stupid. All the parties are evil except for Labour.l..... At least thats whats going on in your head.
no, thats whats going on in your head, you seem to think everyone supports them who doesnt agree with you. lve only stated that given the chance l will vote for those who have the best policies and will actually treat those who are experiencing hard times with some compassion. as it is now one of those who pushed for the welfare reforms actually thinks its the poors fault for poverty.. which pretty much shows how much contempt they have for those who havent got any money.

If i just appease you by patting you on the head and telling you theres a good lad you are so right, will you move along and promised not to derail any other thread with your moaning about ATOS and government related things in general again?? (Like you have in various threads totally randomly for the past few months, dont challenge me to like to all that also).
0_o this is the only thread its been brought up in. and if l had said something elsewhere it was likely to someone like yourself who thing one paint brush fits all. after all you dont even know me but seem to have me all figured out. and l dont seem to be the only one considering it seems mender who made some valid points seems to be lumped in there with me somewhere along the lines.

Ill be willing to do that if it means it will finally shut you up, the way you have moaned continually about things like them totally randomly in some threads im beginning to think you actually need assessing and not for a physical issue.
lm just replying to the post, when you direct comments towards myself l believe l have the right to reply to them, if you wish to change that then dont reply. l do admit however lm very interested in others opinions on the subject.. by now its painfully obvious that you belive your right and everyone else who even suggests there is any truth in these issues is wrong.
 
@Timless, the quote T4F is showing about the £134 is correct, you DID say you had friends recieving the same amount now.

@ T4F, the Grayling video censorship IS real, it WAS made by the governments own departments; this has been covered by various news forums, and Timeless is correct in saying the objectionss raised about the video were because it made it easy for claimants to overcome the ATOS judgements on appeal; bearing in mind that even before the video was released, over 50% of appeals were allowed, the department were facing a situation where that figure was going to be much MUCH higher.

Perhaps Mark needs to lock this thread for 48 hours, to give BOTH of you time to cool down, read and reflect on everything being said by themselves AND everyone else; before constantly carping at each other with variations of your original arguments.

On a personal note, the last politician I had any respect for was Paddy Pantsdown; and even then I didnt trust the political party he was a member of; we need a KAFKA vote of "No Confidence" in the entire political system as it now stands.
 
If i just appease you by patting you on the head and telling you theres a good lad you are so right, will you move along and promised not to derail any other thread with your moaning about ATOS and government related things in general again?? (Like you have in various threads totally randomly for the past few months, dont challenge me to like to all that also).
0_o this is the only thread its been brought up in. and if l had said something elsewhere it was likely to someone like yourself who thing one paint brush fits all. after all you dont even know me but seem to have me all figured out. and l dont seem to be the only one considering it seems mender who made some valid points seems to be lumped in there with me somewhere along the lines.

NONSENSE AGAIN........
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/sho...be-stored-in-new-spy-plan?p=224610#post224610
AND
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/sho...es-to-identify-web-trolls?p=225257#post225257

As 2 other examples where you have just gone off on some random ATOS dribble and attempted to derail a thread with it. Just get a job your free benefit ride is over.
@Timless, the quote T4F is showing about the £134 is correct, you DID say you had friends recieving the same amount now.
When it gets to the point a person cant remember what they have said in other threads let alone the one they are currently harping on in, it is perhaps time to stop communicating with them as they can not remember what they were moaning about or the mistakes they have made.
@ T4F, the Grayling video censorship IS real, it WAS made by the governments own departments; this has been covered by various news forums, and Timeless is correct in saying the objectionss raised about the video were because it made it easy for claimants to overcome the ATOS judgements on appeal; bearing in mind that even before the video was released, over 50% of appeals were allowed, the department were facing a situation where that figure was going to be much MUCH higher.

Not looked into it, couldnt really care, didnt take much notice of them... It just read to me as more of his scatter gun like ranting approach. Even a blind person with an AK will finally hit something.
Perhaps Mark needs to lock this thread for 48 hours, to give BOTH of you time to cool down, read and reflect on everything being said by themselves AND everyone else; before constantly carping at each other with variations of your original arguments.
Ive already said twice it should just be totally locked, the debate from what was originally intended has gone way off topic and its not the first time (AS I SHOW ABOVE) hes tried to derail a thread with ATOS ranting. HE OBVIOUSLY has deep routed personal feelings rather than any REAL point to be made about ATOS or the current government.
On a personal note, the last politician I had any respect for was Paddy Pantsdown; and even then I didnt trust the political party he was a member of; we need a KAFKA vote of "No Confidence" in the entire political system as it now stands.
Tend to agree at least to some degree with that. Anyone with any sense can see all the parties are currently useless, to even think the Labour party or any other would be an instant saviour or do a substantially better job is beyond daydreaming.

PPS: AGAIN CONGRATS TO TEAM GB FOR A FEW MORE GOLDS :)
 
t4f, I'm so sorry, I didn't realise that open consultations were held to do nothing :laugh:

To everyone else who has been involved in the discussion about Atos, the government, and benefits, you can all sit back and rest easy. t4f knows it all, he's the only one who knows it all. All media reports, no matter where it is from, including ones that cannot be discredited, are incorrect. We know this because t4f says so. Cancer sufferers and mental health patients don't have Atos assessments, so all is sweet.

My last post on this subject ends with something to add a bit of humour ;)

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I dont proclaim to know it all, just more than you.

ALL "open" consultations on ANYTHING government related are kept on file as a matter of public record.....

Thats why they are called errrr "OPEN".

Many of them are utter drivel, id link to other examples but it would be more conspiracy fuel to fragile minds already. Many of them are indeed meaningless. They have open consultations on everything from road lighting, to waffle about the lottery.

Most are kept as a matter of public record for 10 years (some shorter, some longer). No need to thank me for attempting to educate you again.
 
I wasn't going to bother coming back to this thread, but your comments above made me change my mind.

I dont proclaim to know it all, just more than you.
If arrogance was knowledge, then your statement would be correct. Unfortunately, arrogance isn't knowledge.

No need to thank me for attempting to educate you again.
More arrogance. Nobody but you can be right, can they? Have you actually read what is in that consultation I linked to?

Earlier in this thread, you were been asking for proof about some of the things that have been said, but you have offered no proof to support your rambling, so, I'm throwing down the gauntlet, just the two main things that have been discussed here:

You say cancer sufferers don't have to go for an Atos assessment. Show us your proof![/quote]
You say people with mental problems don't have to go for an Atos assessment. Show us your proof![/quote]

And finally, you still haven't responded to what I said about the Tories being the root cause of the current problem of too may people on disablement benefits by stopping the medicals in 1995. Is it because you only want to argue in favour of your beloved Tories, and you can't argue against that indisputable fact?
 
I dont like either party currently (HOW MANY TIMES AM I GOING TO HAVE TO REPEAT THAT PAY ATTENTION).

Im proud to say unlike some lemmings ive voted for various parties in the past. Im not a torie or a labourite. The last election i voted for NEITHER of them.

You are right though arrogance is not knowledge, ignorance is bliss though and i hope you are happy living and voting in it. Thankfully most of the country like myself don't have retarded alliances to a singular party, thats why Labour didn't win this time around.

As to proof i think you will find if you look through the thread ive provided more links to official sources than anyone else. (Of course im assuming you can count that high).

Government guidelines are better evidence than what is written in a newspaper. Believe what is written in a newspaper and you believe Elvis is alive on the moon. Believe everything in a TV documentary and you believe Aliens are living at Area 51. That damn simple. So scream all you want about a TV documentary and OPEN consultations.

Ive already shown earlier (again try to keep up) where an illness is serious you do not attend an ATOS interview. If like the other one in this thread you can not remember whats been stated, perhaps you should not participate. There are guidelines which are followed for benefit claims, no matter how much you believe there is not.

The indisputable facts are you don't even know what a open public consultation is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_consultation

Medicals stopped in 1995? If that was a bad thing why didn't Labour bring them back? If it was a good thing, explain the record numbers claiming a benefit for a disability under Labour?

Obviously NEITHER party is faultless in there. Thankfully its being put right now though by assessing all the scroungers and routing them out from the deserving.

Oh and my "beloved" tories ROFL, hardly, i couldnt care less if their coalition fell apart tomorrow and they lost votes in parliament left right and centre. Any other riveting daydreaming you wish to REPEAT?
 
@Timless, the quote T4F is showing about the £134 is correct, you DID say you had friends recieving the same amount now.
then it wasnt intended and my words were taken out of context.

As 2 other examples where you have just gone off on some random ATOS dribble and attempted to derail a thread with it. Just get a job your free benefit ride is over.
WHAT FREE RIDE lm not even claiming anything any more.

When it gets to the point a person cant remember what they have said in other threads let alone the one they are currently harping on in, it is perhaps time to stop communicating with them as they can not remember what they were moaning about or the mistakes they have made.
l dont have to remember each an every little comment l make, you seem to make it sound like l spend all my time here, well l dont l have a life outside this forum and participated on many others along with having a life offline.

Not looked into it, couldnt really care, didnt take much notice of them... It just read to me as more of his scatter gun like ranting approach. Even a blind person with an AK will finally hit something.
lol so your talking about a subject you dont even care about, makes sense why your so quick to shoot things down then.

Ive already said twice it should just be totally locked, the debate from what was originally intended has gone way off topic and its not the first time (AS I SHOW ABOVE) hes tried to derail a thread with ATOS ranting. HE OBVIOUSLY has deep routed personal feelings rather than any REAL point to be made about ATOS or the current government.
you also mentioned at least once about stopping posting, but you still replied.

I dont proclaim to know it all, just more than you.
actually what you mean to say is more than everyone here or so you think.

You are right though arrogance is not knowledge, ignorance is bliss though and i hope you are happy living and voting in it. Thankfully most of the country like myself don't have retarded alliances to a singular party, thats why Labour didn't win this time around.
ignorance truly is bliss by the looks of it, however you state labour didnt win this time around... well to be honest NO party won this time around the Cons had a majority in parliment so they were allowed to create an alliance with other parties creating whats called a hung parliament, and the problem l have is everything they have done they have had no mandate for and completely ignored their own promises by doing the opposite of every election promise.

As to proof i think you will find if you look through the thread ive provided more links to official sources than anyone else. (Of course im assuming you can count that high).
some of the sources you provided werent official sources btw, however blindly believing what is written on some websites or paperwork is the reason we have such an apathetic public since they dont question it..

Government guidelines are better evidence than what is written in a newspaper. Believe what is written in a newspaper and you believe Elvis is alive on the moon. Believe everything in a TV documentary and you believe Aliens are living at Area 51. That damn simple. So scream all you want about a TV documentary and OPEN consultations.
.... so basically if a politician is on TV in a news paper that means they are automatically lying unless they personally release a story through official channels, its good to know you blindly believe everything these are the types of ideals that got us in this position in the first place.

Ive already shown earlier (again try to keep up) where an illness is serious you do not attend an ATOS interview. If like the other one in this thread you can not remember whats been stated, perhaps you should not participate. There are guidelines which are followed for benefit claims, no matter how much you believe there is not.
yes you have shown us, but you havent shown us that the guidelines are followed to the letter.

The indisputable facts are you don't even know what a open public consultation is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_consultation
ah wikipedia.. so you pick a resource that is open to editing by millions around the world. granted wikipedia holds useful information but you just had to go and pick somewhere where facts change daily to suit those who edit the articles.

Medicals stopped in 1995? If that was a bad thing why didn't Labour bring them back? If it was a good thing, explain the record numbers claiming a benefit for a disability under Labour?
probably for the same purpose no one reintroduced banking regulation.. it suited their purpose at the time however the most laughable thing at the moment is the banks still havent been regulated. if you really want to know where the something for nothing culture exists its right at the top where tax loopholes are left open, hell some of their expenses claims look allot more like the beginnings of a weekend party than something they require in order to do their jobs.

Obviously NEITHER party is faultless in there. Thankfully its being put right now though by assessing all the scroungers and routing them out from the deserving.
ld love to know exactly what scroungers meant these days.. its meaning seems to broadly mean anyone who claims benefits, just by the sheer mention that one claims any type of benefit seems to cause major animosity, hell when l did claim my parents were just like that as well until they had to claim. so who deserves benefits? because just like those in power it seems very few are deserving. since you have to be completely paralysed to be considered not a scrounger these days after all if you cant move anything from the neck down you cant press buttons.
 
Medicals stopped in 1995? If that was a bad thing why didn't Labour bring them back?
They did bring them back, as I've already stated:
...
The Labour party decided to try and correct the situation by calling nearly all claimants in for medical examinations to see if they should be getting the benefits. Yes, the Labour party attempted to fix a problem created by your beloved Tories.
People who were not entitled to the benefits lost the benefits. Now, of course, the Tories are trying to tell us that the problem was created by the Labour government. They seem to have conveniently developed selective amnesia, don't they?...
The medicals they brought in also applied to all new claimants.

Anyway. I will leave this thread now. I've said all I have to say. There doesn't seem to be much point pursuing the subject with you, as you are an obstinate and controversial person, which you have proved time and time again since you joined the forums, not just in this thread, but several others. Goodbye t4f, and as I said before, I really hope you never end up on the receiving end of this government's disability victimisation program.
 
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@Timless, the quote T4F is showing about the £134 is correct, you DID say you had friends recieving the same amount now.
then it wasnt intended and my words were taken out of context.

No it wasnt taken out of context i re-quoted exactly what you stated. He agrees you are wrong. The rest of the waffle im not addressing any further because you wont shut up. You are wrong, you dunno the rates of benefits, and thats the basics so you certainly dunno anything else about them.

They did bring them back, as I've already stated:

The medicals they brought in also applied to all new claimants.

Anyway. I will leave this thread now. I've said all I have to say. There doesn't seem to be much point pursuing the subject with you, as you are an obstinate and controversial person, which you have proved time and time again since you joined the forums, not just in this thread, but several others. Goodbye t4f, and as I said before, I really hope you never end up on the receiving end of this government's disability victimisation program.

Then we agree the Tories are continuing where Labour left off ensuring the system is fixed even more. You should be proud they are continuing what Labour started ensuring medicals to cut false claims using that logic then.
 
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No it wasnt taken out of context i re-quoted exactly what you stated. He agrees you are wrong. The rest of the waffle im not addressing any further because you wont shut up. You are wrong, you dunno the rates of benefits, and thats the basics so you certainly dunno anything else about them.
neither do you when concerning other aspects of ESA/DLA regarding assessments etc.

Then we agree the Tories are continuing where Labour left off ensuring the system is fixed even more. You should be proud they are continuing what Labour started ensuring medicals to cut false claims using that logic then.
the first point l'll agree with you on, at least in as much that medical assessments should be carried out by "medical professionals" which sadly isnt happening much these days since assessments dont seem to focus on physical abilities.
 
So off-topic now.. closed by request.
 
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