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Openreach - no FTTP plan

bulldog

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Got direct email from Openreach for my area
Good Morning Mr ***********,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I tried calling the number you provided (01952******) to discuss your enquiry but wasn't able to get through.
I have taken a look at our records and I can see that we do have plans to upgrade some parts of the Madeley and Woodside areas to full fibre although we do not currently have any plans that cover your property. Our full fibre upgrade work tends to be planned for a small number of streets at a time and it is very unusual for plans to be made for an entire town or suburb to be upgraded under as single project.
We can't given out any specific information on why a given area is or is not included in our current plans as this would include sensitive commercial information but I can tell you that we take many factors into account including but not limited to, the time and cost of any required engineering work, the services currently available in the area, the number of additional properties for which service would be provided, and any likely problems obtaining permissions to work in the required areas.
Openreach are committed to providing full fibre to 25 million homes by 2026 so it is most likely we will expand our plans to include your property in the future.
We don't have any plans to upgrade your area right now, but we can keep you up to date when things change. To receive any future updates please go to our fibre checker, input your postcode, chose your address from the drop down, then scroll past the availability information and complete the Gigabit Fibre form and we’ll update you once plans change. www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband.
If you want to bring fibre to your property sooner there is an option you could look into
Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) on Demand, FTTP on demand is a product which a few select service providers offer, which will give you a full-fibre FTTP broadband, as a bespoke installation direct to your premises. It is available across the UK – even in areas that cannot reliably get FTTC.
Fibre on Demand differs from standard FTTP in a number of important ways. As the fibre is delivered to your premises as a custom build, a substantial installation. G.fast are available at your property. If you would like to look into this option you’ll need to contact a service provider to place an order.
You can find a list of service providers on this link, just scroll down the page and click on demand https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/fttp-provi...
If you have any further questions, please let us know. if we don't hear back from you by this time next week, we will mark your enquiry as resolved.
Kind regards,
***** **********
Fibre enquiries
Infrastructure solutions customer service
Openreach
 
Telford? I feel your pain, I'm not far from you and have the same challenge.
 
Telford? I feel your pain, I'm not far from you and have the same challenge.
I won't give up. I will carry on kept fighting my corner with Openreach, my local MP and Telford & Wrekin Council, I don't care if they ever get fed up with me. I suggest all Telford (Woodside & Madeley area) customers do the same too.
 
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That will be frustrating!
How fast do you have right now?

We did get it finally here but it was part of Scotlands R100 program and we could only get 20-24mb and to be honest we were lucky to get it as I know many others with much slower, it was just a quirk because some houses in this street had much slower speeds I ended up getting coverage.
 
I am not interesting in G.fast. I only want my area to get FTTP in the virgin media cable area.
Wait you have G.fast available to you?
How fast is your internet?
I thought G.Fast (if available) was faster than 80/20?
 
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Wait you have G.fast available to you?
How fast is your internet?
I thought G.Fast (if available) was faster than 80/20?
I say many times - Not interesting in G.fast see screenshot below because I only want FTTP 80/20.
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Wait you have G.fast available to you?
How fast is your internet?
I thought G.Fast (if available) was faster than 80/20?
G.fast is up to 330/50 but it's still over copper, notoriously variable in speed and performance, and very painful if your copper line develops any fault.

Sogfast was meant to fix this but communication providers who offer single order g.fast are few in number.
 
G.fast is up to 330/50 but it's still over copper, notoriously variable in speed and performance, and very painful if your copper line develops any fault.

Sogfast was meant to fix this but communication providers who offer single order g.fast are few in number.
Sogfast are available but my ISP say not available via BTwholesale or TTB backhaul carrier as I did ask them last May.

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I say many times - Not interesting in G.fast see screenshot below because I only want FTTP 80/20.
Sorry I didnt see you mention it in this thread and I was not going to go and trawl through all your posts to figure out what you have.

What exactly does FTTP 80/10 really give you over FTTC 80/20 given you get those speeds anyway?

It seems like you have it pretty good with what you have got to be honest, many would want a 80/20 sync speed and I can see why they would be prioritised over you in the near future given you have both G.Fast AND a near perfect sync speed.
 
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FTTP will give you lower latency over FTTC and in the vast majority of cases s more reliable connection.

As noted up thread, I have also heard from OR people that where G.Fast exists this is a reason for FTTP rollout to be deprioritised at the current time for it to be revisited later.
 
Having FTTC and g.fast available isn't bad going. I only have the option of VM or ADSL, and I know of other locations that are ADSL only.

I hope to get FTTP soon from Netomnia, and hope the FTTP rollout in general keeps pace. For me I'm at the whim of Openreach and altnets commercial rollouts, but I think given the wider picture thats fair enough.
 
I won't give up. I will carry on kept fighting my corner with Openreach, my local MP and Telford & Wrekin Council, I don't care if they ever get fed up with me. I suggest all Telford (Woodside & Madeley area) customers do the same too.
We as consumers have no right to FTTP from Openreach or anybody else, there is no obligation on anybody to supply it. An MP or the Council cannot tell/force any company to install it - but no harm in sticking it to Openreach regularly. (And I'm not blessed with the speed or options you have).
 
You are welcome to badge OR, MP, etc as much as you like… but I would say you haven’t got much of a chance already having g.fast and fttc available to you. If you have g.fast my understanding is can't be that far from the street side cab / copper part not that long?

I am on FTTC, too far for g.fast, but my ping is 13ms. Admittedly fibre will be quicker, but a quicker ping is something that also happens of getting fttp not the main reason for rolling out to residential properties. Of course once on FTTP you are future proofed - the fibre won’t have to be changed.

I am chasing up OR as we seem to have FTTP in my street. With some lit. But the OR db says I can’t get. OR engineer who fixed my copper line last thurs confirmed as much - it’s there ready to go. Do I need FTTP, no. However, as it’s available I would like to have.

In ideal world, fibre should be rolling out to the hard to connect places first, get them off ADSL (some might still be on dial up) as its no longer fit for purpose and modern life increasingly needs you to complete tasks online.. but.. that’s not commercially viable.. so go where the money is.. but also try and balance with connecting the hard to reach places.
 
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In ideal world, fibre should be rolling out to the hard to connect places first, get them off ADSL (some might still be on dial up) as its no longer fit for purpose and modern life increasingly needs you to complete tasks online.. but..

This is where I think the regulation is missing a trick. There should be some kind of obligation, levy, cost contribution or whatever for how ever many premises an infrastructure provider cables up to be able to get FTTP, or perhaps activates FTTP, there is then is a share of revenue that goes to fund or install FTTP in a non-commercially viable area - either with the infrastructure provider building it themselves or they pay into a central fund for others to do it, and a commitment for that to be built and active within a number of months after the revenue share is triggered in the commercial area.

If the percentages were set right this would hopefully set of a chain of positive feedback to encourage the buildout of fibre infrastructure in those areas that would not get coverage otherwise.
 
@bulldog g.fast areas do seem to be overlooked in some parts of the country.
Some lucky buggers in my town already have Gfast, and FTTP is live for them. I am a few blocks up and the only Openreach product which I can order is FTTC, most of the time the PCP had capacity issues as well.

Thanking the Connectivity gods that I have VM and an altnet FTTP.
 
I look up my past G.fast connection history: Not very reliable one: As G.fast always SRA and FRA updated every 15 mins resync.

2022-03-21 06:29:31261.7/38.6
2022-03-20 23:06:50260.1/38.4
2022-03-20 23:04:52255.0/38.3
2022-03-20 22:54:41259.4/38.3
2022-03-20 22:45:08259.4/38.3
2022-03-20 06:02:24264.3/39.1
2022-03-20 06:00:28252.6/38.3
2022-03-19 09:56:31259.6/39.0
2022-03-19 09:54:16250.0/37.9
2022-03-15 15:32:47263.1/39.1
2022-03-15 15:32:18263.1/38.2
2022-03-15 15:30:26253.9/38.2
2022-03-15 04:02:43255.8/40.9
 
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