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ADSL will function in the same way it always did.
 
I suspect Now has been caught unawares of this, despite the lengthy notice. I've been trying to sign up for service since yesterday but it errors when trying to check availability.

Could be a coincidence but AFAIK they only offered analogue phone services.
 
They're probably not the only one. Kind of embarrassing for an ISP like them.
 
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Curious how reliable this will be on ADSL.
For those who just have an analogue phone line, then a move to a 500kbps ADSL line will be fine in the vast majority of cases - things have to be really bad for that not to work.

For those who already have an ADSL (or even some with a VDSL) line then in some cases, where they have traded speed for stability (e.g. it is running at a very low SNR but that is fine because the resulting speed makes up for some occasional packet loss / line instability, at least in the mind of the customer), that trade off might need to be reassessed to robustly support digital voice.

Certainly, if I was an ISP that provided digital voice over xDSL then one of the first things I would do if people complained about poor quality calls would be to look at whether the DLM settings available to me could tweaked to prioritise stability over speed.

Overall, over time, there might be a reduction in speed on a small subset of lines as a result of a less aggressive approach to headline speeds. Arguably that reduction would be to where the speed should have been set in the first place but no-one likes to think they're getting less of something than they used to. Of course, that will be offset by the growth in the availability of fibre so it may never be something where we see significant complaints.
 
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A working ADSL will not pose problems for a voice channel.

However it is always worth a regular look at TBB to remind ourselves how we are doing. Which is badly whether rural or suburban.

Even here in Crawley there are many premises that were missed/avoided during CATV over 25 years ago and again now with Cityfibre and F&W with no FTTP plans from OR and not currently within any BDUK scope/timescale (procurement/voucher/USO).

OK some can go mobile broadband, some may get BDUK, OR exchange closure etc but many may blighted for at least 5 years if not more.
 

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  • For the small number of premises where neither FTTP nor SOGEA is available, the recommended products are SOTAP and MPF. WLR, SMPF and SLU SMPF may still be ordered for these premises, as they are temporarily exempt from the UK WLR Stop Sell rules. This is to allow time for CPs to consume the SOTAP product (when launched). Openreach aims to remove the capability to order WLR, SMPF and SLU SMPF for these exceptional cases on 28 March 2024, after which only SOTAP and MPF may be ordered.

what stopper, the above looks like leakage to me.
 
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ADSL will function in the same way it always did.

My concern over ADSL was that VOIP is sensitive to packet loss.

My ADSL line only ever got close to a remotely stable state when it had SRA and even then it had to suffer brief 1-60 second periods of packet loss before SRA could stabilise a noise burst. (60 second polling)

Is someone on the kitz community who is suffering with ADSL reliability as well that Openreach has been unable to fix. I think Kitz herself has issues on her VDSL as well which even G.INP cant fix, she just has to suffer the brief interruptions to her connection.

I can only assume Openreach are going to have to raise their fault fixing standards when VOIP related faults start getting logged, or maybe have a special VOIP stability DLM profile thats really aggressive to try and ensure stability which I think Dassa was hinting at.
 
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By 6 months, what's the hold up, COVID?
Yeah. <insert excuse here>

This is a bit of a pretend deadline anyway. Just means they have a few months less between stop sell and full on withdrawal.

Will be interesting to see if that deadline actually holds…
 
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