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Phrom/webwise poll

If your ISP was to start to use Phorm/Webwise would you opt-in or opt-out

  • opt-in so yes would allow phorm to monitor surfing habits, everything I see on the internet

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    32

Kits

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Since both polls seem to have been hit by a bug on the forum allowing unregistered to vote this is going to be an easy poll.

After all that you have read about Phorm/Webwise and looking at the form BT were planing on using to gain informed consent to allow a third party company place layer7 equipment at the network level to harvest every website you visit to deliver advertisements.

So a new poll is going up will be just two questions and it is as easy as yes and no
 
l dont think thats an option according to BT
 
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So far, only BT are publicly committed to running a Phorm/Webwise trial.
TalkTalk and Virgin may follow suit, they've both been mentioned as having "agreements" with Phorm - but neither has said that they are definitely going ahead with it, and Virgin, from recent statements, seem to be trying to distance themselves from it.

Personally, I wouldn't trust an ISP who would even consider inflicting this on their customers, and would leave pronto, but ignoring my strong feelings and looking at it from a purely practical point of view, you may remain uninfected with either your current ISP, Virgin, or TalkTalk, who you're thinking of changing to.
 
Unless they do a split at network so those who opt in are going a different way to those who refused to give consent to interception. You will still be intercepted to check if you have acepted or not. You will also stil go via the profiler so only have the word of someone who has already shown he cannot be trusted that is will not be used.
 
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I am not with VM already dumped them due to their silence on phorm... Also that is an old page VM have since tried to distance themselves from this unlike BT ostritch method of head in the sand hope it passes over.

It will not be as profitable since to be legal BT have to get both sides to opt in the website owners and the customers.

Only the nieve will opt in
 
Could you point me to something that says what vm are doing with phorm now. So that i can read it as i am with vm.

That is the problem they are very quiet after they said they hadn't signed up to use phorm just was looking at it we have had stoney silence. Almost like they are waiting for Bt to fail or succeed then implement it.
google for phorm and you will find where most is being discussed
 
That is the problem they are very quiet after they said they hadn't signed up to use phorm just was looking at it we have had stoney silence. Almost like they are waiting for Bt to fail or succeed then implement it.
google for phorm and you will find where most is being discussed

Ok thanks they could have at least let us know exactly what they are doing, The funny thing is that they only put that phorm thing on their website after i called them to ask about phorm and they said they did not have a clue what i was talking about.
 
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Almost like they are waiting for Bt to fail or succeed then implement it.

It looks exactly like that to me. I'd imagine that they'd want to crunch the numbers once they can assess the affect on BT to work out if they'll gain more in advertising income than they'll lose in profit from outraged customers dumping their subscriptions and any reduction in new custom.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/01/bt_phorm_2006_trial/page2.html

However, an email written by Virgin Media director of corporate affairs Paul Richmond suggests the cable operator could yet pull out of its own deal with Phorm. He wrote: "We understand our legal position here [is that] we effectively have a MOU [memorandum of understanding]. We will work with this technology through trials and by sharing our understandings with the other large ISPs."

He goes on to suggest Virgin Media could back out of the plan if its brand is tarnished. "If at any stage we believe we cannot make this work for both our customers and our shareholders we will not proceed. We value our brand and our reputation enormously. Nobody knows the optimum way to implement this technology. We will trial this and find out," Richmond wrote. A Virgin Media spokesman said it has not performed any trials yet.


Before it was toned down, the Webwise FAQ on Virgin website originally read more like when rather than if to me:-

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/showthread.php?p=200400#post200400
 
threads like this cause your firum database to dissappear

apparentll

;0)
 
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threads like this cause your firum database to dissappear

apparentll

;0)

threats like that can often end up blowing up in ones face ;)

is this a threat?

kinda interested in where the guy comes from... not asking for an IP but if you can name the general country the guy posted from ;)
 
The reason I asked if it was a threat was because of the country he posted from and after two other websites had some form of issues one a definate attack the other we don't know until they can get it sorted.

Russia was the country the IP was from.
 
quite honestly it verifies what l already knew, phorms predecessor company according to rumours which l cant validate with proof supposedly had links to some known russian groups in the security communities.
 
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