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This presentation shows how the PLC gross polluters address the interference issue.

The presentation shows interference in a single location against the IB30 limit.
It would be difficult to find a location with more electrical noise than a University electronics building with lots of equipment being used without screening (computers with the lids off) and radiating interference.

A bit like saying that as a tanker has covered a beach in oil it’s OK to pour oil in the Thames.

The correct way to measure interference is to look at the increase in background noise level. Using the correct measurement technique PLC fails totally and earns the gross polluter tag.

The presentation cites IB30 as the used interference limit. This limit has been discredited as far too lax by the BBC see these white papers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp-pdf-files/WHP012.pdf
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp-pdf-files/WHP004.pdf

Reference is also made the FCC part 15 limit. The FCC requires that any part 15 system interfering with a licensed radio service be immediately shut down. Wonder if SSE will give this commitment?
 
THe correct way to measure them is against the appropriate EU EMC standard. Powerline meets that standard.

THE EU has agreed that the EMC directive is the standard to be met and is actively encouraging the rollout of Powerline.

The EU applies high standard before any product can be marketed in the EEA

All most all regulatory bodies can shut down a service that causes gross interference, at least while it iss being investigated.

In many cases it is then found that the equipment being interferred with is the culprit in that it does not meant the relevent requirements.
 
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“In many cases it is then found that the equipment being interferred with is the culprit in that it does not meant the relevent requirements.” So what equipment was interfered with by PLC and what requirement was not met?

Interference from PLC has been clearly demonstrated and widely reported.

Hiding behind an EMC directive intended for point sources of interference like a PC is not an option for a utility that is in effect using a huge antenna (the power grid) to pollute vast areas.

Another link on PLC interference;
http://www.darc.de/referate/emv/plc/
 
The EMC is the Universal standard that is applied to all products markted in the EEA. The EU has agreed that this is the applicable directive and have stated that they are ken to see Powerline rooled out.

There are NO complaints about Powerline causing interference, not one single recorded complaint. That hardly stacks up with your hysterical the end of the world is nigh approach. It sounds very much akin to the World will end if we don't spend a small fortune to avoid none existant problems.
 
Japan and Finland banned PLC - many complaints

This “no complaints” is just like all of the other PLC disinformation, (600,000 users when in reality there is only 7,000 etc). The reality is that numerous tests have all confirmed that PLC radiates huge amounts of interference.

See;
http://www.qsl.net/rsgb_emc/CRIEFF Notes Version_1.html

Another link on PLC interference;
http://www.darc.de/referate/emv/plc/

Japan and Finland banned PLC, when I look round my house most of the electronics can from Japan except my phone which came from Finland. So maybe these folks understand the real issues.
 
The EU EMC Directive is very comprehensive you cannot release a product to market unless it complies with this directive. It is not an easy directive to meet and requires an external competent body to Test the product and compile a technical construction files as the basis of the claim for compliance. This data can be audited at anytime and without notice. If on audit a product is found to be none compliant it has to be taken off the market.

Are you sufggesting that all commercial products should meet Tempest requirements ??
 
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Power lines are huge antennas

Do not attempt to confuse the issue, the radiation comes from the huge antennas (power lines) not from the individual modems. The EMC directive was intended for stand alone equipment such as PCs. A PLC modem is in reality a radio transmitter/jammer, put a long wire on it and the result is obvious.

If you put H.F. radio signals down power lines they will radiate – laws of physics.
 
Re: Japan and Finland banned PLC - many complaints

Come on then come up with Documented evidence of the many reported Interference issues that Powerline has caused ?


PLC just say no said:
This “no complaints” is just like all of the other PLC disinformation, (600,000 users when in reality there is only 7,000 etc). The reality is that numerous tests have all confirmed that PLC radiates huge amounts of interference.

See;
http://www.qsl.net/rsgb_emc/CRIEFF Notes Version_1.html

Another link on PLC interference;
http://www.darc.de/referate/emv/plc/

Japan and Finland banned PLC, when I look round my house most of the electronics can from Japan except my phone which came from Finland. So maybe these folks understand the real issues.
 
Read the websites

If you take the time to read the websites you will find many carefully documented complaints, even videos showing beyond any reasonable doubt that PLC was the source of the interference.
 
You constantly refer to the same old data. There were known problems with the equipment at least in the UK and presumably else where. These refer to very early eperamental equipment circa 1998/99. THe current second generation equipment bears little resembalnce the technology has moved on in leaps and bounds. The third generation which would be deployed in any UK rollout is even better.

I am still awaiting a single documented report of interference from second generation equipment. Not supprising really as there are none.
 
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SSE’s Crieff system tested on 12th and 13th November 2002

The Crieff system implemented by SSE was investigated and tested on 12th and 13th November 2002 – seven months ago and is representative of the systems that SSE proposes to roll out across the U.K.
These tests confirmed all of the earlier work from 2002 and 2001 documented here;
http://www.darc.de/referate/emv/plc/

If you review this presentation, you will see that SD2 (responsible for the silicon chips) is aggressively pushing for much higher radiation limits.
www.plcforum.de/docs/world_summit/Regulation_Standardisation.pdf

The suggestion that interference levels will decrease is like all of the other PLC claims, for example;
- 600,000 users, in reality 7,000
- No interference, in reality major problems
Total fiction.

Ultimately the records clearly show that almost all PLC claims are lies and that the PLC technology is a gross polluter.
 
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