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I am also talking about the iPhone too, but just the end of it that i see. And also that Google Jibe RCS is not the walled garden you portray it to be. And also that there is ineroperabillity between EE/Samsung/Google etc. More to come of course, but more to show that it can and is being done.
We might be talking cross purposes. My only real point here is that if a network has no RCS support, then an Android device using Google's Jibe servers does not change that for any other phones.

The waters are muddied by the fact that Jibe can mean two things, the not-quite-RCS (but arguably better) proprietary Google protocol used only by their client, or the standards based Jibe service sold to network operators. Once a message is inside either of these it can get to any RCS device. The issue is getting the message into the RCS network in the first place. :)

So RCS is not a walled garden, but if there is no RCS on your network and you're not using the Google Messaging client (or Samsung), then you can see the garden but can't quite reach it.
 
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A reminder that Google sells RCS as a service to networks: https://jibe.google.com/jibe-platform/

This is not that different from buying an RCS implementation and running it on your own servers. They're just paying Google to keep RCS up-to-date and for the servers.

Just because we see "jibe" somewhere, it doesn't mean that the network doesn't support RCS or something like that. They might just be paying Google to run RCS because it's cheaper or more convenient to do that.
The issue is the UK networks are NOT paying Google to run their RCS for them. Instead they shutdown their RCS (with the exception of EE) and allowed Android phones to "fall back" on Google's own service without their involvement. :)
 
A reminder that Google sells RCS as a service to networks: https://jibe.google.com/jibe-platform/

This is not that different from buying an RCS implementation and running it on your own servers. They're just paying Google to keep RCS up-to-date and for the servers.

Just because we see "jibe" somewhere, it doesn't mean that the network doesn't support RCS or something like that. They might just be paying Google to run RCS because it's cheaper or more convenient to do that.

Yeh, this. I understand this is what Vodafone have, and they just need to update their iOS carrier profile to point to it, and this is what VF is approving with Google.

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Yeh, this. I understand this is what Vodafone have, and they just need to update their iOS carrier profile to point to it.

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I'm afraid that's nonsense. They have no RCS. They can either implement it themselves or subcontract it to someone like Mavenir, Google or whoever. However until they do that there is nothing to update in the carrier profile.
 
Do we really need to post the 3GPP IMS Standards :p

Its easier to post this from the IMS Standards Documentation, and most networks will pay Google for the IMS network node... as Google dont provide that for free... and for Google its Jibe..
 

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EEs server is already dodgy, issues such as it not working on WiFi, photos refusing to send, reactions not working properly etc.
It’s genuinely broken at the moment - it’s not worth the hype which is annoying but I guess this was the apple way of doing things to get people to use iMessage… reactions coming up in my native language (even tho my phone and keyboard are set to English… and the good old photo sending that is so broken… oh and typing indicators are broken most of the time

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BUT HEY GUYS - the iPhone now has RCS 😂😒
 
It’s genuinely broken at the moment - it’s not worth the hype which is annoying but I guess this was the apple way of doing things to get people to use iMessage… reactions coming up in my native language (even tho my phone and keyboard are set to English… and the good old photo sending that is so broken… oh and typing indicators are broken most of the time

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To be fair, I think it's improved since then. Try send me a pic

hehe I was right
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The text on my phone is huge because my prescription is white stick and my pronouns are guide/dog.

Think we've sussed the polish reactions though, a dual language keyboard was the problem
 
The issue is the UK networks are NOT paying Google to run their RCS for them. Instead they shutdown their RCS (with the exception of EE) and allowed Android phones to "fall back" on Google's own service without their involvement. :)

I thought O2 was moving from their own servers to Jibe servers based on this post:

"[...]
We’re closing down our RCS platform and migrating all existing RCS users across to Google’s own RCS platform called Jibe. Jibe will provide the RCS service for Virgin Media O2 for all Google and Samsung messaging applications in the future.
[...]"

I also can't see the old "RCS from Google is provided by Jibe Mobile." message that Google Messages used to display when using Google's service (with O2 and Three). Not sure if the app stopped showing this message?
 
Not sure if the app stopped showing this message?
Yeah the GM app has given up with this notice.
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Jibe will provide the RCS service for Virgin Media O2 for all Google and Samsung messaging applications in the future
I don't think Samsung messages is backed onto Jibe... That may just be their way of phrasing it however.
 
I thought O2 was moving from their own servers to Jibe servers based on this post:

"[...]
We’re closing down our RCS platform and migrating all existing RCS users across to Google’s own RCS platform called Jibe. Jibe will provide the RCS service for Virgin Media O2 for all Google and Samsung messaging applications in the future.
[...]"

I also can't see the old "RCS from Google is provided by Jibe Mobile." message that Google Messages used to display when using Google's service (with O2 and Three). Not sure if the app stopped showing this message?

They "migrated" them in the same way Woolworths going bust migrated their customers to Tesco. :-)

They literally pulled the plug in batches and waited a few days for their messaging clients to fall back to the free Google service that kicks in if there's no network support.

They didn't move their servers, they burnt them down.
 
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I don't think Samsung messages is backed onto Jibe... That may just be their way of phrasing it however.

When I bought my S23 Ultra, it came with the Samsung-ified Google Messages app. If I go to Samsung's app store and search for "Samsung Messages", this is the app it let's me install (or open, since it's already installed).

Samsung seems to be trying to move users from their own app to this OneUI optimised Google Messages version?


They "migrated" them in the same way Woolworths going bust migrated their customers to Tesco. :-)

They literally pulled the plug in batches and waited a few days for their messaging clients to fall back to the free Google service that kicks in if there's no network support.

They didn't move their servers, they burnt them down.

I see.
 
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