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There doesn't seem to be any way to confirm which EE MVNOs support B20, and some of the advertising is definitely dodgy if they don't -- for example claims about using EEs network which has the best coverage... :-(
 
Is that because RWG don't support Band 20 or EE don't?
EE support Band 20,

If you look at the list @Meatball provided:
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Full MVNO – has the infrastructure and technology to create a core network. This includes its HLR (Home Location Register), networking hardware, routing capabilities, applications, customer care, handset management, etc. Full MVNOs only rely on an MNO for Radio Access Network to provide 3G, 4G, or 5G services but handles all other elements related to infrastructure, operations, customers, and data on their own.
Light MVNO – this model has the same capabilities as a full MVNO but lacks its HLR, networking infrastructure, and hardware. A light MVNO relies on the MNO for operational management and focuses its efforts on marketing, customers, and billing.
Second Brand MVNO – this model serves as a second brand for its partnering MVNO and has all the capabilities of a light MVNO but depends on an MNO for application and services.
Branded Reseller MVNO – branded reseller MVNO is heavily dependent on its partnering MNO and only focuses on marketing and sales.

1p Mobile are a Full MVNO
Now Mobile are a Branded Reseller MVNO
Talkhome are a Second Brand MVNO of Now Mobile
RWG are a Branded Reseller MVNO of Now Mobile

RWG are a Branded Reseller of a Light MVNO, who like EE Pay As You Go do not support Band 20.

EE Pay As You Go is a Second Brand MVNO.
 
EE support Band 20,

If you look at the list @Meatball provided:
Code:
Full MVNO – has the infrastructure and technology to create a core network. This includes its HLR (Home Location Register), networking hardware, routing capabilities, applications, customer care, handset management, etc. Full MVNOs only rely on an MNO for Radio Access Network to provide 3G, 4G, or 5G services but handles all other elements related to infrastructure, operations, customers, and data on their own.
Light MVNO – this model has the same capabilities as a full MVNO but lacks its HLR, networking infrastructure, and hardware. A light MVNO relies on the MNO for operational management and focuses its efforts on marketing, customers, and billing.
Second Brand MVNO – this model serves as a second brand for its partnering MVNO and has all the capabilities of a light MVNO but depends on an MNO for application and services.
Branded Reseller MVNO – branded reseller MVNO is heavily dependent on its partnering MNO and only focuses on marketing and sales.

1p Mobile are a Full MVNO
Now Mobile are a Light MVNO
Talkhome are a Second Brand MVNO of Now Mobile
RWG are a Branded Reseller MVNO of Now Mobile

RWG are a Branded Reseller of a Light MVNO, who like EE Pay As You Go do not support Band 20.
Thanks -- also found this...


So 1pmobile looks like the best (only?) option for pay-monthly with B20 coverage.

Still need to explain why all the coverage maps say I should have indoor 5G coverage here, but using the Scancom EE SIM I only get 4G+ in both the router and my A52 5G phone... :-(

According to this EE use 3.4GHz (B42) for 5G, but I don't see any signal on that here and Cellmapper doesn't show any towers in London supporting it. I'm confused... :-(

 
I have an RWG sim here, never even bothered putting any credit on it, absolutely no signal in the house on an iPhone and I live in a built up area of Liverpool so hardly rural. Support takes ages getting back and never answer fully.

Without Wi-Fi calling it’s useless for me but the packages they offer would be ideal.
 
@IJD 5g has disappeared on my Scancom EE sim too, if I reboot my Mikrotik Chateau 5G it shows for a few minutes and then swaps to 4G+
 
@IJD 5g has disappeared on my Scancom EE sim too, if I reboot my Mikrotik Chateau 5G it shows for a few minutes and then swaps to 4G+
Never shows up at all here. Scancom blame the router. But it's the same in my A52 5G phone, even if I drive right up to the mast... :-(

But I can't find if it supports 5G, cellmapper is no help -- if anyone knows another way, it's tower 12942 (Northolt) which supports B1/B3/B7/B20, router reports connections on B7/B3/B7/B1 but seems to be using B7 (cell ID 3313160, cell 8 on tower)
 
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Never shows up at all here. Scancom blame the router. But it's the same in my A52 5G phone, even if I drive right up to the mast... :-(

But I can't find if it supports 5G, cellmapper is no help -- if anyone knows another way, it's tower 12942 (Northolt) which supports B1/B3/B7/B20, router reports connections on B7/B3/B7/B1 but seems to be using B7 (cell ID 3313160, cell 8 on tower)
Can you take a photo of the mast?
 

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@IJD 5g has disappeared on my Scancom EE sim too, if I reboot my Mikrotik Chateau 5G it shows for a few minutes and then swaps to 4G+

I don't know if it's the same problem, but sometimes my phone stops connecting to 5G. The 5G icon is there and I'm within the 600GB FUP, but Network Signal Guru only shows 4G bands (CA) and the speeds confirm it. No changes after a reboot, but it usually starts working again a few hours later/the next day.

It would be nice to have an EE SIM to see if they can use 5G when Scancom can't.
 
I don't know if it's the same problem, but sometimes my phone stops connecting to 5G. The 5G icon is there and I'm within the 600GB FUP, but Network Signal Guru only shows 4G bands (CA) and the speeds confirm it. No changes after a reboot, but it usually starts working again a few hours later/the next day.

It would be nice to have an EE SIM to see if they can use 5G when Scancom can't.
It would, but none of the other SIMs I can get my hands on are EE... :-(
 
EE support Band 20,

If you look at the list @Meatball provided:
Code:
Full MVNO – has the infrastructure and technology to create a core network. This includes its HLR (Home Location Register), networking hardware, routing capabilities, applications, customer care, handset management, etc. Full MVNOs only rely on an MNO for Radio Access Network to provide 3G, 4G, or 5G services but handles all other elements related to infrastructure, operations, customers, and data on their own.
Light MVNO – this model has the same capabilities as a full MVNO but lacks its HLR, networking infrastructure, and hardware. A light MVNO relies on the MNO for operational management and focuses its efforts on marketing, customers, and billing.
Second Brand MVNO – this model serves as a second brand for its partnering MVNO and has all the capabilities of a light MVNO but depends on an MNO for application and services.
Branded Reseller MVNO – branded reseller MVNO is heavily dependent on its partnering MNO and only focuses on marketing and sales.

1p Mobile are a Full MVNO
Now Mobile are a Branded Reseller MVNO
Talkhome are a Second Brand MVNO of Now Mobile
RWG are a Branded Reseller MVNO of Now Mobile

RWG are a Branded Reseller of a Light MVNO, who like EE Pay As You Go do not support Band 20.

EE Pay As You Go is a Second Brand MVNO.
EE PAYG supports 4G Calling and thus Band 20 now.
 
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"5G is on 700MHz (Band 28), 1800MHz (Band 3), 2100MHz (Band 1), 2600MHz (Band 7) and 3500MHz, 3600MHz (NR Band 78)"

Router is connecting on B7/B3/B7/B1 so if 5G is enabled on the tower in these bands I should be able to connect -- which is what all the EE coverage maps also suggest.

Together with fact that using the Scancom EE SIM I only get 4G+ in router and phone at home and with phone right next to the tower, this suggests to me that the Scancom SIM is the problem.

(also the fact that My EE thinks I've got a 4GEE router, not 5GEE...)

Anyone see any other conclusion?
 
Anyone see any other conclusion?
A possibility is that no EE SIM and device combination can get 5G NSA in that location. This would be very easy to rule out by obtaining a counter-example.

Alternatively, take the Scancom EE SIM to a location with known-good 5G NSA for an EE SIM and unlocked device, and try the Scancom EE SIM in that known-good device.

Absent the correct data, no conclusion can be drawn at all and it's all speculation.

Current conclusion is insufficient data.
 
A possibility is that no EE SIM and device combination can get 5G NSA in that location. This would be very easy to rule out by obtaining a counter-example.

Alternatively, take the Scancom EE SIM to a location with known-good 5G NSA for an EE SIM and unlocked device, and try the Scancom EE SIM in that known-good device.

Absent the correct data, no conclusion can be drawn at all and it's all speculation.

Current conclusion is insufficient data.
The problem is that I don't know 100% for sure of any such location, and none of my other SIMs (or those of friends) are 5G EE to try out... :-(

But given that the EE 5G coverage map shows a 5G-indoors area centered on the basestation I drove to (and am connected to), surely it seems unlikely that this doesn't have a good 5G NSA signal right next to it?
 
The problem is that I don't know 100% for sure of any such location, and none of my other SIMs (or those of friends) are 5G EE to try out... :-(

But given that the EE 5G coverage map shows a 5G-indoors area centered on the basestation I drove to (and am connected to), surely it seems unlikely that this doesn't have a good 5G NSA signal right next to it?
Has Scancom agreed to look into things or do they remain unconvinced?
 
Has Scancom agreed to look into things or do they remain unconvinced?
I chatted to them online yesterday and they were unconvinced (blame the router! blame the signal!), but also didn't seem very knowledgeable. So I've just sent support a detailed email with screenshots and maps attached, hopefully this will get to somebody technically savvy... ;-)
 
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I don't know if it's the same problem, but sometimes my phone stops connecting to 5G. The 5G icon is there and I'm within the 600GB FUP, but Network Signal Guru only shows 4G bands (CA) and the speeds confirm it.
Unfortunately, your phone showing the "5G" icon doesn't mean you're using 5G radio access, as I learned here:
 
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