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Seems UPVC doors now have a way people can get in with no damage if you fail to upgrade your locks. True or fiction..

Has anyone been a victum of this?


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Not just UPVC but any door lock of the 'Yale key' type.

When I first heard about lock bumping a couple of years ago, I looked into it and easily made a number of working bump keys myself.

It's amazingly easy to 'bump' a lock once you understand how it works and practice a little.

I'm still not sure whether publicising it is a good or bad thing!?!?! :shrug:
 
Lock bumping is too technical for most modern thieves, lofting a house brick through the glass is the limit of their intellectual capabilities!!!!
 
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Luckily my new flat has all the modern anti-bump stuff on, though after watching that video I now finally understand what my insurance company was asking about :) . Might mention to my other family members about this though, thanks for pointing it out. Luckily most of their doors have internal key locks only, except the main double locked doors.
 
Not just UPVC but any door lock of the 'Yale key' type.

When I first heard about lock bumping a couple of years ago, I looked into it and easily made a number of working bump keys myself.

It's amazingly easy to 'bump' a lock once you understand how it works and practice a little.

I'm still not sure whether publicising it is a good or bad thing!?!?! :shrug:

The problem with uPVC doors is that you can't fit a relatively secure 7-lever lock - when we still had wooden doors our insurance company insisted we fit 7-lever locks to both the front and back door.

I also heard about it a few years ago, and intended to try it as it looked so easy compared to picking the things, but somehow never got around to making a bump key. I also intended to replace my locks, but bump-proof euro locks were quite expensive at the time.

Many replacement windows (both plastic and aluminium) are not very secure anyway - those that have the snap-in profile that holds the glazing unit in place on the outside, unless the unit is additionally held in with a high adhesive tape.

When we replaced our kitchen window it only took us about 5 minutes to pop out the the profile and lift out the glazing unit - all done from the outside, the only thing that might have deterred a thief was the weight of what was a very large glass unit.


Another weakness of euro locks is "snapping" http://www.handlestore.com/antisnap.php
 
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HERE's a video I've made to show how even an amateur like me can do it.
 
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You can get some absurdly expensive viscous gunk to squirt into your existing cylinder locks to make them bump resistant, but I've read it is relatively easy to wash out - still it might defeat your average neighbourhood thief whose bought/made a bump key after reading about it on the web. I've also read it may make raking and other forms of picking easier.

Unfortunately it seems a lot of the cheap "anti-bump" locks are just basic locks pre-treated with this type of fluid. High security locks that are dificult or impossible to bump are still very expensive eg http://www.bilock.com/pickbumpproof.html
 
If you've got wooden doors fit 5 lever mortise locks. If you're replacing euro-locks choose a size that is slightly longer than the length from the centre of the securing screw to the outside edge of the handle - you don't want the lock sticking out more than 5mm or it will make it easier for a thief to snap the lock off.

If / when I get around to replacing my euro locks, (which as they came with the doors, I doubt even have anti drill or pick features) I'd want ones that are certified drill, snap, bump, pick and pull resistant, otherwise it would seem a waste of cash.

I had a google to see if there were some more affordable locks than last time I looked -

UAP are offering a "free" sachet of Pickbuster plus about £5 delivery so you can treat your existing cylinder locks to make them resistant to bumping. http://www.universal-imports.com/view-details.asp?scat=0&page=&keywords=&ID=1087

The site I link to earlier has a very cheap anti-snap lock http://www.handlestore.com/keycylinder.php @ £12 + delivery & also includes a free sachet of "pickbuster" solution. Although I'm a bit dubious about such cheap locks and about relying on an oil to dampen the pins.

I noticed screwfix now have some anti-snap locks for about 20 quid, but they're not anti-bump :(

The KABA GeGE bump-proof locks looks much more promising as its not hugely expensive - still around £50 though. It is kite marked - which may be important for insurance purposes in the future and has actual anti-bump pins http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/...eGE_Anti_Bump_Anti_Pick_Anti_Snap_Cylinders/# but after looking at the manufacturer's site, I think the lock itself isn't snap/pull resistant :( , it appears that you need to fit a security handle which shrouds the end of the lock cylinder to prevent it being snapped off or pulled.
 
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I also came across a nice computer anim showing how bumping works - its an advert for Master lock bump stop, which looks a nice cheap solution, but doesn't seem to be available for the UK market.

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Think it will depend on when the doors were fitted recent should be older will not be. Might be worht asking the company that fitted the door.
 
I bought the house recently no idea who fitted the door. this is scary need to get this fixed asap.

Thing is if i get locksmith he is going to say this lock is bump-able and sell me a new lock.
 
Might be worth checking out THIS site as they appear to be offering a FREE single lock solution. (Plus P&P.)
 
Bumping an anti-bump lock

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Raking an anti-bump lock

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I don't bother buying a daily paper but wouldn't (shouldn't ?) this be all over the tabloids if it's as bad as it looks ? :shrug:
 
Looking at these I am glad we refused UPVC doors for my solid wood I also have 5 lever lock besides the barrel one.
 
This looks like a better solution than those pickbuster protected ICL locks. Claims to have a bump resistant device and has steel plates across the euro locks weak point to make it harder to snap off.

http://www.security.ingersollrand.com/Products/Architectural/SecurityProducts/Pages/CISAAP3.aspx

or cheaper? 10 pin version http://www.security.ingersollrand.com/bumpandsnap/products/Pages/AstralS.aspx

And I found one for only £30 + p&p http://www.fabstore.net/products/view/cisa-anti-snap-anti-bump-cylinder

EDIT: ah! ex-vat. And annoyingly, they don't have the right lengths for my doors!

larger range here http://www.goolewindowcentre.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=11&zenid=l04l7mp1j46cclme0bdl44lgf7

<mel waits for someone to post a video of someone bumping one of these.>
 
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Another BS EN 1303:2005 approved anti-bump euro lock - Yale X6 euro lock http://www.yalelock.co.uk/Yale/Yale_co_uk/Fabricators_Installers/Yale Kitemarked Cylinder.pdf

Would also have to replace the door handles with a security handle to prevent thieves from snapping off the barrel, or pulling out the cylinder.

PAS24 Security handle -- http://carlf.co.uk/data/tokyoeenhanced.pdf annoyingly UPVC handles do not necessarily share standard dimensions, so you have to measure the distance between the holes for the lock and the handle etc and find one that will fit your door.
 
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