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Spoiling the view

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Residents now feel the views from their windows have been spoilt and there are concerns the company will have to damage trees currently covered by City of Lincoln Council Tree Preservation Orders when installing the wires themselves. Resident Lynn Ladlow has set up a petition against the poles.

Have these people got nothing better to do than waste utility companies time?
 
Where's the photos of the ruined views? 😂
You need to ask Biff Bean...

I'm not sure how 30 foot telegraph poles, that's what 9 metres high to anyone who wasn't around in the era these people seem to be from, are going to be a problem unless there's a new FTTP technology that only works over Christmas lights.
 
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Have these people got nothing better to do than waste utility companies time?
Nope, look at them, oldies on fat pensions with nothing better to do, acutely sensitive to the smallest change in their local habitat, empire nostalgics probably and of course (this being Lincoln) brexit voters and thus forfeiters of their kids and grankids futures... But nevermind that, a bloody telegraf pole bringing next-gen tech inconveniences them supremely.

Sorry, a bit heavy-handed, but I'm getting tired of these people..
 
Nope, look at them, oldies on fat pensions with nothing better to do, acutely sensitive to the smallest change in their local habitat, empire nostalgics probably and of course (this being Lincoln) brexit voters and thus forfeiters of their kids and grankids futures... But nevermind that, a bloody telegraf pole bringing next-gen tech inconveniences them supremely.

Sorry, a bit heavy-handed, but I'm getting tired of these people..

Oh do calm down. FTTP is not even close to 'next gen'. For someone who posts so much on these forums I would have thought you'd know that.

Only someone who has never owned a property would not understand the things these residents are complaining about. The street scene being tarnished is a very real concern for people who actually own their homes.
 
Oh do calm down. FTTP is not even close to 'next gen'. For someone who posts so much on these forums I would have thought you'd know that.

Only someone who has never owned a property would not understand the things these residents are complaining about. The street scene being tarnished is a very real concern for people who actually own their homes.
Fttp is very much next-gen in UK alas, only been generally available for a short time. I'm a Londoner and don't have access to it, not even on the roadmap, that's pretty telling.

I'm lucky to own my house and let me tell you, there's a distinct lack of (the right kind of) telegraf and telco poles around here.
 
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Those poor people, having their street scene tarnished by telegraph poles... have you guys no heart? Their window view is spoiled for god's sake!

I agree with them. They should remove every telegraph pole, street light, and cell tower in that area! Maybe remove the traffic signs while you're at it.

/s
 
Sorry but I agree with Sánchez. I personally would also not want unnecessary OH.

My street has both VM and OR duct and whilst there may not be any current OR FTTP plans I am likely to get FTTP by 2028 at the latest (VM or OR or both) and in the meantime if I require higher speeds including 1 Gig can use VM (with all the caveats).

Now I know many of the smaller providers are exploiting existing OR poles and the business model of poles is excellent as it is one fibre lit, costs recovered by 1 or 2 customers and the rest is high margin. FW/Hey! are a good example round here. But I do have a issue with NEW poles used as a strategy when the Provider/ISP has the option of using OR PIA. Perhaps Ofcom should oblige VM to provide a PIA.

I can only assume therefore this area in Lincoln (VM covered) is a directly buried OR area and possibly why its not on OR current plans in addition to it is in a Cityfibre proposed area so diggers will be arriving soon or even more poles.

One thing is certain if a provider/ISP upsets locals like this they will not get the take up in the short term to make it viable (before the big boys turn up), particularly as any resident that doesn't adhere will be evident by their drop wire.
 
These telegraph poles are everywhere already, before FTTP, before internet at all they are all around my area to carry power.

Most of the younger relatives of the people in that picture probably already have orders in with the company, anyway, doens't look like a good few years for the UK compared to any other country, especially with the way 5G is going. Why are stupid people guided by facebook posts able to stop hundreds of masts going up
 
We shouldn't be using poles for new infrastructure, regardless if someone finds them visually offensive or not, it's just about profit. Poles are dated technology, why install poles for fibre? Poles can get hit by cars, they and the cables they are carrying get wind and rain battered which causes more faults, trees can interfere with the cables over time or bring them down in stormy weather, any maintenance on them needs more health and safety red tape before anything can happen and they are riskier to work on for staff. Splicing fibre cable up a pole isn't that easy and over all installations are more costly and take a longer time.

The only justification for using them is more profit for the company installing the network, but its short term profit as longer term maintenance costs are going to be higher.
 
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Oh look, a bunch of retired old people against technology.

I don't like the look of telegraph poles and wires slung everywhere either, but I'm not going to go to the press and put on my "compo" face and say it spoils the view. Because it's an essential technology. Just because it isn't for a bunch of octogenarians doesn't mean we should say oh welp 10 people complained therefore nobody gets FTTP.

I sympathise with their problem. But also that pole in the image doesn't exactly look new either. I'm afraid I can't agree with them in wanting them all torn down. I can agree they don't look nice, and I'd prefer to live in an area with underground cables, but I wouldn't try to stop the progress either.
 
@Sánchez please don't assume anything about other forum members, if you can't discuss something civilly please don't keyboard warrior.

@Phil2021 this road in the article is beautifully paved, this is the correct infrastructure for that road and it has been correctly applied for and installed. It's also going to increase the property value as they will not be stuck for choice.
 
Typical Nimbys, always a minority ruining progress for the majority with typical shortsightness.

My street has underground VMO2 cabling or Openreach FTTC using copper cabling and telegraph poles to each property, yet you don't see residents around here up in arms over nothing.

Just because they think there's no need for it doesn't mean that in the future someone else might want a FTTP connection.
 
this road in the article is beautifully paved, this is the correct infrastructure for that road and it has been correctly applied for and installed. It's also going to increase the property value as they will not be stuck for choice.
So you can appreciate the aesthetics of the paved road being beautiful, but not how residents might feel to have poles that weren't there before and how that might negatively impact those aesthetics. It is also perfectly possible to install underground cables and restore the paved road, then everyone would have been happy, except of course the share holders of the company doing the work because it would cost more.

We all know this was about cost saving, doing the quickest and cheapest job, which like most things done on the cheap, ends up leaving many people unsatisfied about the work done.

Calling these residents names or accusing them of wasting the companies time by complaining is not very nice and shows a complete lack of empathy. All those residents want is for the aesthetics of their road to be as good as it can be. People caring about their home and their street and what it looks like should be applauded, as there are many, many streets up and down the UK where those living there don't care at all for keeping where they live looking nice.

Not everyone wants or needs a fibre internet connection to be watching rubbish every waking minute, some people have different priorities about what it means to enjoy their life and home, unfortunately these people are becoming fewer and fewer and the world, as can be seen by some of the responses here, is just getting mean and very selfish.
 
There are less telegraph poles after the local FTTP install than before. I made it one less by laying a 28m duct on my property. We do have one oddity where one pole is installed 40M down a track not near any property and on the opposite side of the track from a 400m duct to which it is not connected. Its surrounded by trees higher than it is and there are no cables or CBT's on it. If they don't use it quickly its going to make several fence posts..
 
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I commend them for standing up to the bullying utility companies, who make it as difficult as possible to raise issues and sent you in infinite loops calling different numbers and in which no-one takes responsibility!

Sometimes it is necessary to "go public" like this in order to get things done or call out their stupid behaviour.

It looks to be located here - https://goo.gl/maps/KQW9hRhkPbMNRHHq7 which has no other telegraph poles (from 2012 at least), so If the area has been well planned with ducting, then why is the pole needed?
 
We shouldn't be using poles for new infrastructure, regardless if someone finds them visually offensive or not, it's just about profit. Poles are dated technology, why install poles for fibre? Poles can get hit by cars, they and the cables they are carrying get wind and rain battered which causes more faults, trees can interfere with the cables over time or bring them down in stormy weather, any maintenance on them needs more health and safety red tape before anything can happen and they are riskier to work on for staff. Splicing fibre cable up a pole isn't that easy and over all installations are more costly and take a longer time.

The only justification for using them is more profit for the company installing the network, but its short term profit as longer term maintenance costs are going to be higher.
Sadly it doesnt work that way and isnt about profit. Where I live there is no logical way to lay any ducting. And certainly no profit - long or short term.

The only play to install underground cabling is either utilising public roads - which would never be approved due to the amount of single track roads we have in the area that would be closed and isoolate a significant amount of pulic services - or private land, which comes with it's own downfalls.

That may be a weird scenario in comparison to a more condensed area with beter infastructure. But the same rules apply. Each zone requires what it requires. Overhead isn't just profit - but neccesity.
 
Calling these residents names or accusing them of wasting the companies time by complaining is not very nice and shows a complete lack of empathy. All those residents want is for the aesthetics of their road to be as good as it can be. People caring about their home and their street and what it looks like should be applauded, as there are many, many streets up and down the UK where those living there don't care at all for keeping where they live looking nice.

Not everyone wants or needs a fibre internet connection to be watching rubbish every waking minute, some people have different priorities about what it means to enjoy their life and home, unfortunately these people are becoming fewer and fewer and the world, as can be seen by some of the responses here, is just getting mean and very selfish.

There's a certain group in our society that complains a lot about everything new and things that affect them (even if just a little). They complain about 5G, they complain about phone masts, they complain about noise, they complain about road works and how the road looks like after said works, etc.

They didn't complain about the works needed for them to get a phone line or about the cell tower they can't see. Why? Because it benefits them. Someone needs a faster connection? "F them. It's fast enough for us. I'm retired anyway." What matters is their needs, not the needs of the others in that area.

A quick check on Open Reach tells me that many in that area can't get the top FTTC speeds and looking at this dashboard they even rejected one of those small Three masts ~half a mile away (on a main road!).

I'm not saying that telegraph poles are elegant (I get it) or the best solution, but we have them in this area (OR, I believe) and I while not "pretty", I don't see them stopping anyone from enjoying their life or their home. Plus, if you don't want poles, maybe allow alternatives?

The selfishness you mention goes both ways. In my case, it's a reaction to them being selfish. My default, since we don't live in individual bubbles, is to make and expect concessions. This changes the moment someone goes "me me me and only me".
 
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"I’ve now got a lovely view of a telegraph pole from my lounge window. It means whenever they’re working on the wires they’ll be able to gaze in, it’s an intrusion of my privacy."
Maybe Santa will bring him some curtains !
 
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