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Static IPv4 on XGS-PON and Symmetrical speeds

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Hi folks, I'm in Exmouth, which is in the spotlight today having been featured in news stories about the arrival of VM / Nexfibre / XGS-PON to the area, my street has been dug and ducted by Nexfibre and their "straws".

My ideal package would be Gig1, symmetrical speeds, with a static IPv4 or block of 5.
I see the Business arm offer everything but not symmetrical speeds, what do we think the odds are looking like that symmetrical speeds will come to VM Business?

Plan B, If I have to go residential, am I to assume that this will be CGNAT, with the resulting dynamic IPv4 being useless for any inbound traffic?

If I were to bet. I'd say VM will fall short of offering symmetric speeds to business customers, claiming that it might harm their leased line sales!
Thanks in advance :)
 
I think they either wont offer it, or they will but with a chance it gets pulled and if it gets pulled some cover up reason will be provided.

They dont seem as obsessed as BT in protecting enterprise, but I think its likely this gets considered in any decision they make.

VM dont use CGNAT. In addition their IP's are really sticky, I still have the same IP as 16 months ago. (when I first connected on this MAC address).

Judging by all the posts on this sort of thing I can see over the current years, an exodus of customers from datacentres. I am even considering myself for all personal stuff.

15 years ago a datacentre would typically offer a gigabit port with most home users on ADSL or dialup. So in that era it seemed reasonable. Fast forward to today, gigabit is still the standard which now seems really dated and there is some datacentres on top of that throttling outbound to speeds like 250mbps. Like there is no progression at all, all whilst their pricing has sky rocketed (due to address space). I can e.g probably get a /29 from AAISP or Zen with no effort, have the same egress performance and no longer have to pay for obsolescent hardware leasing. If this sort of thing does start happening en masse, then GPON might fall down under it with XGS-PON being a clear winner. I could quite easily move a server averaging 800mbps 24 hours a day to CF on GPON. It would consume 2/3 of the split capacity.


Then packages like the 2gbps from VM actually outperforming a typical port size in a datacentre, I suppose this is why CDN's have rose to prominance as DC's have just stood still.
 
Thanks WKDRED, I wasn't aware that VM use dynamic IPv4 and not CGNAT on residential packages, if the IP's are sticky like you mention, I could probably get by and it sounds less problematic than the GRE tunneling that they reportedly use to give business packages static IP addresses.
 
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Thanks WKDRED, I wasn't aware that VM use dynamic IPv4 and not CGNAT on residential packages, if the IP's are sticky like you mention, I could probably get by and it sounds less problematic than the GRE tunneling that they reportedly use to give business packages static IP addresses.
Just keep in mind if you get a faulty HUB and need a replacement the IPv4 address will change.
 
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Yep the IP is tied to the MAC of the network card used to fetch the IP. Although if you using a device that can spoof MAC it might be able to preserve an existing IP on change of hardware. But I think the hub5x has no modem mode which means that device is the endpoint.
 
Yep the IP is tied to the MAC of the network card used to fetch the IP. Although if you using a device that can spoof MAC it might be able to preserve an existing IP on change of hardware. But I think the hub5x has no modem mode which means that device is the endpoint.
Makes you wonder if you could spoof the MAC address of the Hub5x if you could find the correct SFP+ stick, A lot easier than spoofing on the DOCSIS network
 
Makes you wonder if you could spoof the MAC address of the Hub5x if you could find the correct SFP+ stick, A lot easier than spoofing on the DOCSIS network
I like that. I have seen people do this on CF and other XGS-PON ISPs with HiSense SFPs, so technically this should work. That way you can completely bypass that piece of fantastic equipment that is their modem...
 
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I'd be willing to give this a go if it meant I could get away without using a non-bridge mode router...
 
If this sort of thing does start happening en masse, then GPON might fall down under it with XGS-PON being a clear winner. I could quite easily move a server averaging 800mbps 24 hours a day to CF on GPON. It would consume 2/3 of the split capacity.

Then packages like the 2gbps from VM actually outperforming a typical port size in a datacentre, I suppose this is why CDN's have rose to prominance as DC's have just stood still.

If this starts happening ISPs will enforce their FUPs/AUPs and boot people :)

https://www.virginmedia.com/legal/acceptable-use-policy section 8.3.

Etc, etc.
 
It would be interesting, I dont plan to move that server on to my home network though, not only to be polite to others I wouldnt want my home connection so highly utilised. For reference its not copyright infringement content.

Remember ISPs have got in trouble in the past trying to enforce FUPs on unlimited usage packages. Its the risk they take.
 
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Potentially clearer cut with servers. Smaller ISPs with really fast services often aren't advertising unlimited now, wisely.
 
They were blowing the water out of the pipes today with some compressed air...
 

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I'll give it to TTB they genuinely say in their T&Cs they will never throttle services, which surprised me tbh
Ah throttling and booting people hosting public / heavy bandwidth servers are quite different things. No need to throttle if you forbid crazy usage levels and there'll be stuff in there allowing them to boot people for various things :)
 
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Ah throttling and booting people hosting public / heavy bandwidth servers are quite different things. No need to throttle if you forbid crazy usage levels and there'll be stuff in there allowing them to boot people for various things :)
Depends on the type of service you ordered though, business packages tend to be more easy going as they normally provide IPv4/IPv6 static addresses to host servers unlike normal consumer packages, though I would kill for your 8Gbit package from Youfibre xD
 
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