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Three 5G Broadband vs Voxi 5G (Central London)

noway103

Casual Member
I've decided to put two horses against each other. More details below in case you're interested or if you have thoughts and suggestions.

I had the Three 5G broadband for about a year now. My block is weirdly not connected to fiber or high-speed Openreach broadband, hence the only solution was to go with a fixed wireless solution. This is all in the Bayswater area in London.

It has done a good job so far, especially considering the Huawei 5G CPE Pro H112 had a pin for a Panorama DMM-7-38-2TS9 antenna. On good days and with the external antenna pointing in the right direction, I was able to get up to 400Mb in download. Some issues though with frequent disconnects from 5G, resets required, and unstable/terrible upload speeds at 5-15Mb which caused many issues with video calls.

I decided to take a H122 and a Voxi sim card to see if Vodafone could perform better. After one day, I can already say that even without an external antenna (not supported by the new model), the download speed is quite good (200-250Mb) and upload around 35-45Mb.

Because of the higher/more stable upload speeds which are good for all the VCs I have those days, I'm very tempted to stay with Voxi and drop Three.

What do you folks think? Any watch-outs I should have?

Here's the two Huawei friends, one next to the other
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TTJJ

ULTIMATE Member
I think you'll find Vodafone more reliable. The speeds might be lower but I would expect them to be stable around those speeds most of the time and won't have such dramatic swings in performance.

An antenna likely wont be necessary as the general issue is network congestion on the mast or the network itself rather than signal.
 

zakir1988

Regular Member
I am too on Three broadband my post code does not have 5G yet but accross the street it has 5G but im getting 5G.

The speeds im getting are 60mbps to over 100mbps its connecting to a mast that is 10 to 15min away if by September if i dont see any improvements im moving to Voxi. Vodafone coverage says i get very good 5G coverage when i called Vodafone they said i can expect speeds up to 400mbps in my area.
 

noway103

Casual Member
Meanwhile, I also have a PAYG sim card from EE and decided to give it a go in the CPE Pro 2. Because it's PAYG, it will not connect to 5G, but quite some impressive results over 4G.

Really impressed by the download and upload speeds that this modem is able to get on EE. With an iPhone 12 I wasn't able to get above 90 in download and 80 in upload (which were already impressive numbers in 4G).

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I'm very tempted by their business account, even if the FUT is at 1tb/month, that should be enough. Does anyone have that?
 

JitteryPinger

Pro Member
I'm also testing 5G currently, started last week using a Mi 10T Lite 5G,

Currently only testing Voxi but got a Three sim ready to go.

Results from Voxi are somewhat interesting, given that currently the rollout is very basic only broadcasts found so far is NSA at 40Mhz width.

Coverage are is surprisingly good considering the high frequency use of N78.

Best I've managed to achieve thus far is 450Mb/s down and 100Mb/s upload but not together.

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My hopes are much higher for Three as they should be pushing out at 100Mhz.

But I don't know, the 4G speed on Voxi is pretty high and I get the feeling that 5G is using 4G on tests too.
 

Lucian

ULTIMATE Member
That's a nice speed. 5G NSA is based on 4G.
Three has more spectrum, but don't seem able to service it properly judging by what people post on this forum. I wouldn't expect too much.
 

zakir1988

Regular Member
Im very tempted to move to voxi what nat type does vodafone use tho Three network are not doing it right
 

Bubblesthefish6

Top Member
Im very tempted to move to voxi what nat type does vodafone use tho Three network are not doing it right
You just asked that on your own thread šŸ˜‚
 

JitteryPinger

Pro Member
That's a nice speed. 5G NSA is based on 4G.
Three has more spectrum, but don't seem able to service it properly judging by what people post on this forum. I wouldn't expect too much.
Well I finally got bootloader unlock on the Mi10 last night and flashed custom rom and rooted the device for NSG, now starting to see how misleading the signal identifier is on 5G.

Although the device is saying its getting 5G, the reality is its dropping the NR and just running the LTE under the 5G banner.... bit naughty I think.
 

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dabigm

Pro Member
Those are pretty good speeds and about what you'd expect from a 40MHz site. AFAIK all UK 5G is NSA and most deployments around the world are. Nice diagram here to show the differences

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JitteryPinger

Pro Member
Vodafone 'that I know of' have started launching DSS apparently, but technically these are still NSA based.

My guess is 5G will be a quick overnight turn on when things are in place.

Apparently the use of DSS will essentially allow existing infrastructure to broadcast NR over same bands as LTE simaltaniously, so with Vodafone so far NR has turned up on band N1 (2100mhz) demonstrated by Pedroc (Peter Clarke)

 

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GavinAshford

ULTIMATE Member
Apparently the use of DSS will essentially allow existing infrastructure to broadcast NR over same bands as LTE simaltaniously
Yes, it does use existing infrastructure, providing the mast radios are modern enough to support it (and/or be software upgradable to do so) - however in most instances the hardware is likely old, and need replacing to be able to achieve DSS - which begs the question, if they're replacing the radios, why not just install hardware capable of 5G on n78.

As I mentioned in another thread, while DSS is allowing Vodafone to 'deliver' 5G to more users (they'll see the 5G symbol on their phone, it comes at a cost that DSS delivers ~30% less capacity versus using the same spectrum bandwidth for 'normal' 5G, plus it reduces the capacity for 4G only users in that band too.
 

JitteryPinger

Pro Member
My guess is that the hopes are for extra spectrum they could win and also re-farm could cover the boost and the losses by doing such changes.

The obvious reason in my eyes is to put the 5G symbol in the corner of the most devices in more places first, technology of this nature has become a joke, but I test it so I can be impartial to my opinion.

Personally I'm a bigger fan of just bumping 4G bandwidth up as high as possible, I've achieved speeds as fast as and faster than the 5G sample above just using 4CA in the past.
 

Bubblesthefish6

Top Member
My guess is that the hopes are for extra spectrum they could win and also re-farm could cover the boost and the losses by doing such changes.

The obvious reason in my eyes is to put the 5G symbol in the corner of the most devices in more places first, technology of this nature has become a joke, but I test it so I can be impartial to my opinion.

Personally I'm a bigger fan of just bumping 4G bandwidth up as high as possible, I've achieved speeds as fast as and faster than the 5G sample above just using 4CA in the past.
I kinda agree. Most people think that when the 5G symbol is showing it will be ultra fast however as I've seen myself that is far from the truth. I also have seen better speeds on 4G than 5G. This is still probably because the technology is still in its infancy and most people don't really understand it that well
 
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JitteryPinger

Pro Member
Quite correct @Bubblesthefish6 , despite the bragging rights above, thats the best download I've managed to get standing right under the cell.

I've managed to take some screen shots from NSG today whilst running 10GB download test in the background and the 4G vs 5G isn't groundbreaking different.

As we speak however I'm now putting the Voxi sim to work and USB Tethered to PC, downloading a title from steam.

More to follow :)
 

JitteryPinger

Pro Member
Whilst out and about earlier, around 800m straight line distance from the mast I run a very stable and quick 10GB download using 3CA (800+2100+2700) on Voxi

(Non 5G mast currently I suspect upgrades have been done in preparation for DSS)

Mast is concealed within a 'fake' chimney on a church and has had some extensive upgrades done in past 6 months at same time two masts either side got 5G cells.

I suspect due to limited space that this mast will get DSS 5G and use existing panels to broadcast.

As you can see speeds pretty impressive and stable too, peaked at 298Mb/s but couldn't get screenshot.
 

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JitteryPinger

Pro Member
So as mentioned above I'm downloading a Steam title, see attached comparisons of 4G (3ca) to 5G

At 900m with obstructions and just sat at the desk I think the signals are pretty good for the N78 band.

4G
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5G
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JitteryPinger

Pro Member
and NSG during download
 

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